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529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

 

In 2019 my son filed his own return and is no longer a dependent on my return.  Also in 2019 he was a full time student.   We have his 529 plan pay his school direct for most things, but then I'm the recipient for others.  Thus I get two 1099-Q one showing him as the recipient and another me.  In past years on my taxes I would enter only the 1099-Q showing me as the recipient and then the correlating expenses (room and board.) 

 

Now however in Turbotax as my son is not a dependent I can't claim the deduction.  What should I do -  How do I account for the 1099-Q  showing me as the recipient.

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Hal_Al
Level 15

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

IRS 1099-Q letter.

You've done nothing wrong (nor has TurboTax [TT]). We're seeing this frequently, in this forum. It happened to me, personally. Apparently, the IRS has created a problem by not having a form to report the situation where the taxpayer uses all the 529 plan distribution for qualified expenses. Even though you probably entered the 1099-Q in TT, nothing about the 1099-Q went anywhere on the actual IRS forms.

I replied to the IRS that it was all used for qualified education expenses. I attached a copy of my billing statement from the school and a copy of TurboTax's 1099-Q work sheet (which was not part of my original filing) and that took care of the problem (2-1/2 months later).

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529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

First clarify why your son is no longer a dependent,  You say he was a full-time student in 2019.  How old was he at the end of 2019?

**Disclaimer: Every effort has been made to offer the most correct information possible. The poster disclaims any legal responsibility for the accuracy of the information that is contained in this post.**

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

he is 22 and started working also in 2019

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

If your full-time student son was under the age of 24 at the end of 2019 then you can still claim him as a dependent on your own tax return even if he had a job and filed a tax return.  Please read the criteria for claiming a dependent carefully.  He can still be claimed as your qualifying child--and it does not matter that he had a job or even how much he earned,  That means the education credit still goes on YOUR tax return.

 

WHO CAN I CLAIM AS A DEPENDENT?

 

You can claim a child, relative, friend, fiance (etc.) as a dependent on your 2019 taxes as long as they meet the following requirements:

Qualifying child

• They are related to you.

• They cannot be claimed as a dependent by someone else.

• They are a U.S. citizen, resident alien, national, or a Canadian or   Mexican resident.

• They are not filing a joint return with their spouse.

• They are under the age of 19 (or 24 for full-time students).

    • No age limit for permanently and totally disabled children

        They live with you for more than half the year (exceptions apply).

Qualifying relative

• They don't have to be related to you (despite the name).

• They cannot be claimed as a dependent by someone else.

• They are a U.S. citizen, resident alien, national, or a Canadian or Mexican resident.

• They are not filing a joint return with their spouse.

They lived with you the entire year.

• They made less than $4200  (not counting Social Security)

• You provided more than half of their financial support. More info

When you add someone as a dependent, we'll ask a series of questions to make sure you can claim them.

Related Information:

Does a dependent have to live with me?

What does "financially support another person" mean?

Can I claim a newborn baby?

 

Did your son make the mistake that is  very common among students filing first tax returns?  Did he say he cannot be claimed as someone else's dependent because he made some money of his own?

 

If your son filed a tax return and did not say on his own return that he can be claimed as a dependent on someone else's tax return, when you claim him on your return, your e-file is going to be rejected.  You will not be able to e-file this year.  Your own return that claims him must be printed signed and mailed.  Do not wait for him to amend his return--that process will take many months.  

 

 

Your son will have to amend his own return.  If he received stimulus money--he should not have received it.  Dependents are not eligible for stimulus money.

 

For your son:

 

How do I amend my 2019 TurboTax Online return?

 

He needs to change the way he answered the question in My Info and say that he CAN be claimed as someone else's dependent.

**Disclaimer: Every effort has been made to offer the most correct information possible. The poster disclaims any legal responsibility for the accuracy of the information that is contained in this post.**
Hal_Al
Level 15

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

Although you cannot claim a tuition credit or deduction, if the student is no longer your dependent, you can still claim the 529 plan earnings exclusion, even if he is not your dependent.

 

Whether he is a dependent, or not, the 1099-Q, that you are the recipient of, goes on your return.  The one where he is the recipient goes on his return.  You cannot double dip. That is, you cannot both claim the same expenses for the exclusion.   The TurboTax interview covers the situation where the student is not a dependent. 

 

Alternatively; you can just not report either 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distributions.  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."

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I agree with the other reply: your student is not disqualified from being  your dependent, just because he got a job.  What he earned is irrelevant (for a  full time student, under 24, that lived at home at more than half the year).  What he spent on support determines dependency.  529 money is considered as support provided by the parent (the plan owner), not the student (the plan beneficiary).

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More on Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans)

 

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

 

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

I am not claiming the college credit as  total income is over $160,000.   I also know that I am required to enter  the 1099-Q that shows me as the recipient.   As the plan owner, I get two 1099Qs, one showing my kid as the recipient (this is funds that went directly to the school)  I don't enter this 1099-Q.  However, I know I'm required to enter the 1099Q that shows me as the recipient.

 

My question is still the same.   The funds from the 1099-Q that I am entering were used to pay for qualified expenses for my son's room & board.   Yet my son is not a dependent on my taxes anymore - in Turbotax I can't enter the expenses for his room&board.

 

I think this would be the same problem like a Grandparent will have. Where they own a 529plan with their grand kid as the beneficiary.   I believe that the 529 plan earnings exclusions still apply as long as the funds were used for qualified expenses (like room & board.)  The trouble I'm having is doing this in Turbotax as the student does not show up as a dependent. 

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

The simple solution is just don't enter the 1099-Q, in TurboTax (TT), since you know none of it is taxable. 

 

But, if you do enter the 1099-Q, in TT,  one of the first questions is who is the student. When you select  someone not listed here or a beneficiary that's not a dependent on this return (the wording varies), you will be given a screen to enter his expenses, including room and board.

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

 

As the plan owner, as I understand it you are required to enter the 1099-Q where you show up as the "recipient" even if all the taxes are qualified.  There is a lot of mis-information out there.  I think most people don't enter the 1099-Q and the IRS gives them a pass as generally they know that the funds are not taxable.  Yet if there other issues with your return, they will throw these in and make you respond.

 

I say this as that's what the IRS told me.  Last week I got a "proposed changes" letter from the IRS for 2018, in there they listed the 2018 1099-q funds where I was the recipient as taxable.  I just flied a 1040X to show all the funds as qualified, and doing so here for 2019.  Just I ran into the snag of not seeing my son as a dependent. 

 

I do see now the "someone else not listed here" option in turbotax.  .  I'm totally blind to missing that earlier and many thanks for the help.

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

IRS 1099-Q letter.

You've done nothing wrong (nor has TurboTax [TT]). We're seeing this frequently, in this forum. It happened to me, personally. Apparently, the IRS has created a problem by not having a form to report the situation where the taxpayer uses all the 529 plan distribution for qualified expenses. Even though you probably entered the 1099-Q in TT, nothing about the 1099-Q went anywhere on the actual IRS forms.

I replied to the IRS that it was all used for qualified education expenses. I attached a copy of my billing statement from the school and a copy of TurboTax's 1099-Q work sheet (which was not part of my original filing) and that took care of the problem (2-1/2 months later).

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q

oh man - THANKS HAL!!

Your note that none of the 1099-Q is reported to IRS if everything zeros out put it all together for me.  

That doing a 1040-X for me in 2019 will NOT change anything as there is no new information being reported.

 

For my CP2000 form I got,  I submitted a revised 1040X and had other issues with my tax that year (I forgot to enter a few brokerage transactions that needed to be corrected.)  yet I bet they come back and ask for more information related to my 1099-Q.   I've all the paperwork (receipts) and will send them the worksheet if they do so.

 

Again THANKS!!

 

again - many thanks

529 beneficiary no longer a dependant but I am the recipient on the 1099-Q


@Hal_Al wrote:

Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship

   -$4000 used to claim the AOTC

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360) 


Another way to look at it:

If the gross distribution (Box 1 of 1099-Q) is $5000 and the Earnings on that amount (Box 2) are $600, then 12% of the distributions from the 529 represent earnings (realized gains) that are taxable unless sheltered by the 529; and 88% of the distributions represent return of principal which is not subject to tax.

In the example, of the $5000 gross distribution (Box 1), $2000 is "Excess Distributions" which are not sheltered by the 529 plan. Therefore, 12% of this amount, or $240, is income subject to tax.

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