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1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

@DianeW777 @AmyC I have read through many posting on this topic. Below is my scenario: Relinquished Property Details (HI) • Purchase Date: 12/01/2009 • Land Value: $50,000 (Non-depreciable) • Building Value: $450,000 (Depreciable) • Total Purchase Price: $500,000 • Depreciation Taken: $20,000 (Residential, 27.5-year schedule) • Sale Date: 08/01/2024 • Sale Price: $1,000,000 • Selling Costs: o Settlement Costs: $5,000 o Attorney Fee: $50,000 o Qualified Intermediary (QI) Fee: $1,000 • Loan Paid Off: $250,000 Replacement Property Details (MD) • Purchase Date: 12/01/2024 • Land Value: $105,000 (Non-depreciable, 10%) • Building Value (Depreciable): $945,000 • Total Purchase Price: $1,050,000 • Loan Assumed: $300,000 • Commercial Property Depreciation Schedule: 39 years Step 1: Relinquished Property Calculations A) Adjusted Basis Since land is not depreciable, the adjusted basis is calculated only for the building portion: • Adjusted Basis = Building Value - Depreciation Taken + Land Value • Adjusted Basis = 450,000 - 20,000 + 50,000 = 480,000 B) Net Sale Proceeds Net Sale Proceeds = Sale Price - Selling Costs • Net Sale Proceeds = 1,000,000 - (5,000 + 50,000 + 1,000) = 944,000. C) Realized Gain • Realized Gain = Net Sale Proceeds - Adjusted Basis • Realized Gain = 944,000 - 480,000 = 464,000 D) Deferred Gain Since all proceeds were reinvested: Deferred Gain = 464,000 Step 2: Replacement Property Basis A) Carryover Basis The carryover basis equals the adjusted basis of the relinquished property: • Carryover Basis = 480,000 B) Excess Basis Excess basis represents new investment beyond the deferred gain and carryover basis: • Excess Basis = Replacement Purchase Price - Carryover Basis + Deferred Gain • Excess Basis = 1,050,000 - (480,000 + 464,000) = 106,000 C) Total Basis • Total Basis = 480,000 + 464,000 + 106,000 = 1,050,000 Step 3: Depreciation Calculations A) Carryover Basis Depreciation • Original Annual Depreciation: 450,000/27.5} = 16,363.64 • Time Used: 20,000/16,363.64 = 1.22 years • Remaining Life: 27.5 - 1.22 = 26.28 years • Annual Depreciation: 430,000/26.28 = 16,368.76 B) Deferred Gain Depreciation • Schedule: Commercial, 39 years • Annual Depreciation: 464,000/39 = 11,897.44 C) Excess Basis Depreciation • Schedule: Commercial, 39 years • Annual Depreciation: 106,000/39} = 2,717.95 D) Total Annual Depreciation • Total Annual Depreciation} = 16,368.76 + 11,897.44 + 2,717.95 = 30,984.15 Step 4: Loan Impact Loan Paid Off ($250,000 on Relinquished Property): • Paying off the loan does not affect basis or depreciation. • It simply reduces the cash available for reinvestment. Replacement Property Loan Assumed ($300,000): • Loan assumption reduces cash you need to contribute but does not change the basis calculation. • Basis is determined solely by carryover basis, deferred gain, and excess basis. Question related to depreciation: Q1) Since I don't have schedule E for many years for the relinquished property HI, should I amend 2023 to create HI schedule E? Q2) Is the calculation correct in my scenario? Q3) Where does the land cost for the HI property and MD property come into the picture? Q4) Do I just create a new MD schedule E (replacement property)? In the MD schedule E create 2 assets; - HI carryover asset 1- put in the exact HI schedule E with the 27.5 year. Carryover basis and the time span left. - MD asset 2 - combine the Deferred basis and the Excess basis to one. Use 39 year depreciation. Q5) How and where does the land portion from the HI asset (50k) and the MD asset (105k) come in the picture?
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1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

No offense, but you ought to try something else. 

 

First of all, @AmyC and @DianeW777 are both NOT answering questions at this time as they're listed as "Expert Alumni".

 

Second, you've packed a TON of data, figures, dates, and facts into a REALLY LONG post that very few, if any will read, much less post a response. 

 

Lastly, you referred to two different states, HI and MD, which very few, again if any, on this board will be able to assist you. It might be better if you either consulted a local tax pro or used a TurboTax assisted service (which would cost extra but probably would be worth it).

RobertB4444
Employee Tax Expert

1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

1. No.  Schedule E is only for a rental property and the property was not for rent.

2. Yes, your calculation looks correct.

3. As part of the basis in the exchange.  The land cost from the Hawaii property transfers over and becomes the new land basis on the Maryland property.

4. No.  The new commercial property is the only thing that you are going to create.  You will enter it into the system and depreciate the depreciable basis that you transferred from the Hawaii property as though it were a new asset.  It will depreciate over 39 years.

 

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1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

@RobertB4444 

Thank you for reading through my scenario and response.  I am not clear how to report depreciation.  

Q6) "The new commercial property is the only thing that you are going to create ..." , I should go and create a new Rental Property (MD) in "Wage % Income > Rental Properties and Royalties". Correct?

 

  • Next is to enter Replacement Property (in this case MD) profile (address MD, commercial, 2024 1st year rented

Q7 ) Do I checked "I bought this rental" or "I acquired this rental through a like-kind exchange"?

I am assuming I should check "I acquired this rental through a like-kind exchange". 

  • Now I have to enter "Assets/Depreciation"

Q8 ) My original question (Q4) is at this point, I have to "Add an Asset"

  • Click on - Rental Real Estate
  • Enter Date Purchased - 12/01/24 ,  Correct? this is the replacement purchased date.
  • Click on - Non-Residential Real Estate and Improvements
  • Click on - Nonresidential real estate
  • Enter Cost (total cost) - Replacement Purchase cost (in my case. 1,050,000), Correct?
  • Enter the land cost - 50,000 Bring over the relinquished property original land cost, Correct? 
  • Click on - I purchased this asset, Correct?

Q9) I don't think what I entered above is correct. The Depreciation detail shows the full depreciation for 1 month for the full replacement cost ( 1,050,000).  My understanding is that I can depreciation the following:

a) The left over relinquished basis (or adjusted basis = relinquished cost - depreciation taken) = 480,000

b) The deferred gain (relinquished sold - seller cost - relinquished cost + depreciation taken) = 464, 000

c) The excess basis = replacement cost - (relinquished sold - seller cost) + replacement loan - relinquished loan = 1,050,000 - (1,000,000 - 56,000) + 300,000 - 250,000 = 156,000 

What is the number to use for depreciation?

 

RobertB4444
Employee Tax Expert

1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

6. Correct

7. Acquired through like-kind exchange is correct

8. Cost is $430,000.  That's the remaining depreciable basis of the building.  $50,000 for the land plus $430,000 for the building is the $480,000 basis that was transferred in the 1031 exchange.

9. $430,000

 

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1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

@RobertB4444  thank you!  

Using hypothetical numbers earlier does not add up. Now using real numbers. Sorry a little busy with numbers. Could you help clarify a couple more questions?

Relinquished (27.5 year depreciation schedule):

  • 16,173 = Depreciation Taken
  • 1.04 = Depreciation Time used = Depreciation Taken / (Building Basis / 27.5) = 16,173/(426,990/27.5)
  • 433,752 = Adjusted Basis = Building Basis + Land Basis - Depreciation Taken = 426,990 + 22,935 -16,173
  • 1,111,572 = Net Sale Price = Gross Sale Price - Selling Costs = 1,185,000 - 73,428
  • 434,329 = Realized Gain = Net Sale Price - Adjusted Basis = 1,111,572 - 433,752
  • 243,791 = Mortgage Paid off
  • 867,781 = Equity rolled into exchange = Net Sale Price - Mortgage Paid off = 1,111,572

Replacement (39 year depreciation schedule):

  • 1,207,195 = FMV Purchase = Building basis+ Land basis = 1,184,260 + 22,935
  • 273,264 = Loan Assumed
  • 933,931 = Equity invested = FMV Purchase - Loan Assumed = 1,207,195 - 273,264

Carryover Depreciation Calculation:

  • 410,817 = Carryover Basis = Building Basis - Deprecation Taken = 426,990 - 16,173
  • 26.46 = Remaining Depreciation Time = 27.5 - Depreciation Time Used = 27.5 -1.04 = 26.46 year
  • 15,525 = Carryover Depreciation = Carryover Basis / Remaining Remaining Depreciation Time = 410,817 / 26.46

Excess Depreciation Calculation:

  • 66,150 = Excess Basis = Equity invested - Equity rolled into exchange = 933,931 - 867,781
  • 1.8999% = %Replacement Land = (Land basis / FMV Purchase) * 100 = (22,935 / 1,207,195) * 100
  • 1,257 = Excess Land Basis = %Replacement Land * Excess Basis = 1.8999% * 66,150
  • 64,893 = Excess Building Basis = Excess Basis - Excess Land Basis = 66,150 - 1,257 
  • 1,664 = Excess Depreciation = Excess Building Basis / 39 = 64,893 / 39

Q10) Is Adjusted Basis above correct about including the Land Basis?

Q11) 100% Realized Gain is deferred since Equity invested > Equity rolled into exchange, correct?

Q12) Is the Carryover depreciation equation correct by using the Remaining Depreciation Time (26.46)? The Carryover Depreciation seems to match with the origin depreciation per year (426,990/27.5=15,525).

Q13) Is the calculation for Excess Depreciation correct?

 

Q14) Given there are 2 depreciations (1- Carryover deprecation and 2-Excess depreciation), Am I create 2 properties in TT premier, which in term create 2 schE? or some how create 1 property with 2 independent asset depreciations?  

 

 

 

 

RobertB4444
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1031 exchange residential to commercial; only partial depreciation taken; calculation for depreciation and exchange form 4562 and 8824

The correct basis transfers over from the original property.  The basis for the original property here is $410,817 plus a $22,935 land basis.  To that you need to add whatever additional payments you made to acquire the new property or 'boot'.  I can't tell from your numbers what that was.  If you added $400,000 in cash then that increases your basis by $400,000.  You are only going to create one asset adding those two numbers together - the original basis and the boot.  Then you will start a new depreciation schedule using those numbers and since it is a commercial property you will depreciate it for 39 years.

 

What the new place is actually worth has no bearing on the depreciation calculation.  So here is the formula and you need to figure out the numbers - 

 

NEW ASSET = Transferred depreciation balance at time of sale + cash or other property exchanged in the sale.  Depreciate for 39 years.

 

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