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As explained in the thread, only one employer can issue a W-2. Two employers CANNOT issue one W-2 for the both of them.
Look at the W-2. There should be ONE EIN, that is the employer.
Since you do not have two W-2's, the IRS wants the employer to fix it.
This is an IRS issue, not a TurboTax issue.
@KrisD15, incorrect. See discussion on IRS commentary on Federal Register on this thread.
@KrisD15 I don't particularly care if this is an IRS issue or a TurboTax issue.
I need to file my taxes and I would like to maximize my refund/credit. If TurboTax can't help me here, then I need to use a local CPA. Which may not end up eating the cost of my full credit anyway... Sigh.
"In summary, the obvious advantage of becoming a CPEO is the continuation of the taxable wage base for FUTA and FICA. The disadvantage for some PEO’s is they become the employer on a federal level now and are responsible for the reporting of the FICA and FUTA taxes. For the client company leaving the PEO, they may also continue the FUTA and FICA taxable wage base reported by the CPEO. In past years, this was not allowed."
Are there any follow up on best solution for this issue? Two options I have considered are:
1. Filing an IRS Form 843 requesting a refund of the excess withholdings, or
2. Claiming a credit for the excess withholding amount in Line 72 of Schedule 5 of
income tax return on Form 1040
The refund of the excess SS tax is now (2019) on line 11 on Schedule 3 (1040); you gave the 2018 location.
For the reasons I gave above (the IRS has issued directions), TurboTax is not making a change to accommodate PEOs this year, not even as a workaround.
I suppose you have another alternative: to buy the CD/download software and manually enter the number on line 11. As I think someone noted above, this will void the Tax Accuracy Calculation Guarantee and may block e-filing, but if the 843 doesn't work for you, it's an alternative...
Thanks! What are the potential issues with Form 843? Do you know whether tax preparers would do Form 843 on its own if the main form has already been filed?
I have not filed a 843 so I have no personal experience with it.
However, as you can see at the IRS website, the form is only one page and not complex.
The most important thing (to me) is that this means that you are telling the IRS that this "employer" is refusing to refund the excess SS tax withheld. This should result in either an abatement to you from the IRS, or the IRS writing a letter to your employer asking them to refund the tax, or else. I am guessing that most employers would like to avoid IRS letters.
In fact, it might help if you asked your PEO for a letter explaining their position and attach it to your request for abatement. Since you are going to name the company anyway, it might motivate them to work with you.
This has happened to me in 2018, and I am still trying to get my overpaid Social Security tax back. I am very curious if any of the people on this thread succeeded in getting their money back and how.
I contacted the PEO who responded with an email:
"The reporting requirements of Section 3511 states that a CPEO will be treated as the employer of any work site employee of the client/customer as reported by the client/customer but only with respect to remuneration remitted. The contract between Domino Data and Sequoia One PEO, LLC allows for the successor and predecessor employer status between the two parties during the term of the service contract. With this designation, the liability of taxes must be handled in the following manner:
Due to this reporting requirement Sequoia One PEO, LLC is listed as the employer and our Federal Employer Identification Number is listed on the W-2, we are required to report taxes on a client by client potentially causing employees to be over withheld for Social Security or under withheld for Medicare. Sequoia One PEO, LLC is unable to report taxes in a manner which does not follow the prescribed requirement under IRS Code 3511, resulting in employees in these situations to obtain the credit directly from the IRS or remit payment to the IRS. Let us know if you have questions."
I filed form 843, attaching the email as supporting documentation.
6 months later (August 2019) I received a rejection from the IRS.
"We are unabled to process your claim for the exempt social security and Medicare withholding tax because you did not submit all of the necessary documentation. You should obtain a refund of the exempt withholding tax from your employer. If you are unable to obtain a refund from your employer you must submit a complete claim." (This is followed by a list of examples of "necessary documentation" that clearly do not apply to my case, like "a copy of the form 8316".
After 3 hours on the phone with the IRS they suggested I file ...
form 843. Again.
I followed their advice to the letter. I did not retain a copy of my first filing of 843 but I am sure the 2nd one was very similar, again accompanied by a - this time, more detailed - email from the PEO.
12 months later, I am receiving another rejection with very similar formulas, making me suspect whoever reviewed my case did not have a clue.
This is fun.
I have had this exact same scenario with TriNet. They won't refund my money and the IRS bounced my request back. I wonder how many people are having this happen to them and just give up.
Maybe we all need to get together and file a class action lawsuit or something to get our money back.
@Kawh Did you ever get any resolution via any of the suggested methods? I'm having this same issue.
Hi. I had to download the software and make the manual amendment there. It meant that I had to paper file. Took a while to get a refund from IRS but no complaints from them.
Hm. I will need to follow up with the IRS soon if I do not hear from them on my appeal.
@Kawh, which one did you buy? Basic, deluxe or premiere?
Premier (online). Given this issue, they let me download their software for free so that I could file.
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