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I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses.  Do I have any options?
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ThomasM
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I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

You don't have to qualify for an education credit/deduction to be able to waive the penalty for early IRA distribution for the education expenses you paid.  They are separate items, each with its own criteria.

For the education credits/deduction (as you know), there is an AGI phase out.  But not for the penalty waiver on the IRA distribution.  In addition, for at least half-time students, room & board counts as a qualified expense for the waiver, where it does not count for the credits/deduction.

What you'll need to do is answer the waiver questions that TurboTax asks on the 1099-R entry screens after you input  your 1099-R info (Federal Taxes > Wages & Income > Retirement Plans & Social Security > IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).

You'll first answer a variety of non-waiver-related questions before coming to the screen that says Let's see if we can reduce your early withdrawal penalty.  Next you'll land on the screen asking Did you use your IRA to pay for any of these expenses, and you'll see an entry box next to Higher Education.  Enter the amount of your qualified education expenses here.  Again, it is unrelated to the entries for the education credits/deduction.

If the amount you enter here is less than the total distribution amount taken, then TurboTax will subtract it and you'll pay the penalty on the remainder.  If the expense total is equal to or higher than the IRA distribution, then you won't pay the 10% penalty on any of it.  

Lastly, you'll see the penalty calculation on Form 5329.  Any penalty will then carry to line 59 of the 1040.

Here's a link to IRS Pub 970 which covers this IRA penalty exception in section 9, p. 61:  https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf

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ThomasM
New Member

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

You don't have to qualify for an education credit/deduction to be able to waive the penalty for early IRA distribution for the education expenses you paid.  They are separate items, each with its own criteria.

For the education credits/deduction (as you know), there is an AGI phase out.  But not for the penalty waiver on the IRA distribution.  In addition, for at least half-time students, room & board counts as a qualified expense for the waiver, where it does not count for the credits/deduction.

What you'll need to do is answer the waiver questions that TurboTax asks on the 1099-R entry screens after you input  your 1099-R info (Federal Taxes > Wages & Income > Retirement Plans & Social Security > IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).

You'll first answer a variety of non-waiver-related questions before coming to the screen that says Let's see if we can reduce your early withdrawal penalty.  Next you'll land on the screen asking Did you use your IRA to pay for any of these expenses, and you'll see an entry box next to Higher Education.  Enter the amount of your qualified education expenses here.  Again, it is unrelated to the entries for the education credits/deduction.

If the amount you enter here is less than the total distribution amount taken, then TurboTax will subtract it and you'll pay the penalty on the remainder.  If the expense total is equal to or higher than the IRA distribution, then you won't pay the 10% penalty on any of it.  

Lastly, you'll see the penalty calculation on Form 5329.  Any penalty will then carry to line 59 of the 1040.

Here's a link to IRS Pub 970 which covers this IRA penalty exception in section 9, p. 61:  https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf

lglaeser
New Member

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

this location does not exist in my 2017 turbo tax - bug or change in tax code?
dmertz
Level 15

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

There has been no change in TurboTax or the tax code with regard to this penalty exception; it's still present in 2017 TurboTax.  (If you are using the Home & Business version of TurboTax it's under Personal Income.)

Be aware that only distributions from IRAs are eligible for this penalty exception.  Distributions from a qualified retirement plan like a 401(k) are not eligible for this exception.

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

the amount I paid in tuition is not being deducted from my income

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

I also don't see this in my 2017 turbo tax

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

exactly its not there or is not working correctly to deduct the tuition expense from the 1099R looking at my 2016 1040 it did not take it out either .  My child is a dependent , lives at home and went school more than part time took over 15 credits

I took withdrawal from IRA to pay for higher education expense but now my income is too high to deduct expenses. Do I have any options?

the application is not taxing you only on the difference of the tuition an the withdrawal amount

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