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I sold a rental house in October 2020. I have kept track of all the expenses, cost basis, etc...so we're good there. My question is what do I select when I get to the "Was this property rented for all of 2020?" page in TurboTax? The property was not rented all year so my gut feeling says to select the "No, this property was not rented all year" option and then fill in the days rented at a fair rental price (279) and days used for personal use (0). This option seems reasonable.
But, there is also a note on the screen that says, "Note: if you only owned the property part of the year, then let us know if it was rented the entire time you owned it". This statement is also true, so should I pick the "Yes, this rental property was rented all year" option instead?
The first option seems more accurate since it wasn't rented for all of 2020; but I definitely owned it the entire time it was rented...which lends itself to the second option. Does the term "year" refer to the entire calendar year (in which I obviously didn't since I sold it in October)...or does "year" refer to the timeframe in which I owned the property?
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Year refers to the calendar year for income tax purposes and the actual number of days prior to the sale is largely irrelevant provided there was no personal use and the correct date (October) for the sale of the asset is entered in the Sale of Property/Depreciation section.
Therefore, assuming the property had only rental use, the number of personal use days will be zero (as you indicated in your post).
Year refers to the calendar year for income tax purposes and the actual number of days prior to the sale is largely irrelevant provided there was no personal use and the correct date (October) for the sale of the asset is entered in the Sale of Property/Depreciation section.
Therefore, assuming the property had only rental use, the number of personal use days will be zero (as you indicated in your post).
As I recall, you need to read the small print. Basically, if the property was classified as a rental up to the date of closing on the sale and you never used the property for "any" personal use for one single day of the tax year, then it was rented all year.
There are three sections below of my boilerplate on this. The first plate covers the non-monetary numbers. The 2nd covers definitions and clarifications that in my personal opinion, are not well defined or clarified in the program. The third plate outlines reporting the sale. I've not taken the time to personalize the boilerplate responses below to save a bit of time, as your post is covered across all three.
1. Dates/Numbers that matter
2. Definitions and clarifications
3. Reporting the sale of rental property.
Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.
Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.
RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED
Property Improvement.
Property improvements are expenses you incur that “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.
To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:
1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.
2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.
There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.
Cleaning & Maintenance
Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Repair
Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.
However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.
Reporting the Sale of Rental Property
If you qualify for the "lived in 2 of last 5 years" capital gains exclusion, then when prompted you WILL indicate that this sale DOES INCLUDE the sale of your main home. For AD MIL personnel who don't qualify because of PCS orders, select this option anyway, because you "MIGHT" qualify for at last a partial exclusion.
Start working through Rental & Royalty Income (SCH E) "AS IF" you did not sell the property. One of the screens near the start will have a selection on it for "I sold or otherwise disposed of this property in 2019". Select it. After you select the "I sold or otherwise disposed of this property in 2019" you continue working it through "as if" you still own it. When you come to the summary screen you will enter all of your rental income and expenses, even it it's zero. Then you MUST work through the "Sale of Assets/Depreciation" section. You must work through each individual asset one at a time to report its disposition (in your case, all your rental assets were sold).
Understand that if more than the property itself is listed in your assets list, then you need to allocate your sales price across all of your assets. You will only allocate the structure sales price; you will NOT allocate the land sales price, since the land is not a depreciable asset. Then if you sold this rental at a gain, you must show a gain on all assets, even if that gain is $1. Likewise, if you sold at a loss then you must show a loss on all assets, even if that loss is $1
Basically, when working through an asset you select the option for "I stopped using this asset in 2019" and go from there. Note that you MUST do this for EACH AND EVERY asset listed.
When you finish working through everything listed in the assets section, if you ever at any time you owned this rental you claimed vehicle expenses, then you must also work through the vehicle section and show the disposition of the vehicle. Most likely, your vehicle disposition will be "removed for personal use", as I seriously doubt you sold your vehicle as a part of this rental sale.
@Carl wrote:
As I recall, you need to read the small print. Basically, if the property was classified as a rental up to the date of closing on the sale and you never used the property for "any" personal use for one single day of the tax year, then it was rented all year.
Yet, if you indicate the property was rented all year, then then program inserts "365" (or "366" for a leap year) as the number of days rented on Schedule E which, clearly, is not technically correct considering the property was sold in October.
The most critical entry is the one involving personal use, which should be zero (0) days.
I haven't looked at it for the 2020 tax program. But I do recall the small print saying something along the lines of "If you acquired/disposed of the property this year and it was a rental the entire time you owned it (for the year), then select that you rented it the whole year".
@Carl wrote:
I haven't looked at it for the 2020 tax program. But I do recall the small print saying something along the lines of "If you acquired/disposed of the property this year and it was a rental the entire time you owned it (for the year), then select that you rented it the whole year".
That might have been a long, long time ago when Schedule E did not have lines to input fair rental days and personal use days. The language to which you referred has not been in the program during the last few years.
Regardless, it would be more than a little strange to report a rental on Schedule E with 365 (366) fair rental days when the property was disposed of prior to the end of the year.
After reading this thread, I am still confused. I bought at rental midyear, say 7/1/2021.
If I choose "I rented for All of 2021" vs
If I choose NO and enter 182 days rented and 0 days for personal use,
The net tax amount is different. The 2nd option costed me more tax.
So what's the conclusion? Which option shall I choose? From the TurboTax instruction, I should have chosen option 1. But can this be another TurboTax bug?
Choose "option 1" if you did not have any personal use days after 7/1/2021 (i.e., from 7/1/2021 through 12/31/2021).
In other words, the property was a rental for "all of 2021" from the time you placed the property in service on 7/1/2021.
You would only consider the period of time during the year after you purchased the property. You had no control over the property until you owned it. So, after that date, you rented it for the entire year.
There is a note on the screen in TurboTax that states if you owned the property only part of the year, then answer that it was rented the entire time that you owned it.
So it is okay to report my new rental on Schedule E with 365 fair rental days? I saw that .
It is not really a problem since 100% of the usage was for rental purposes during the 2021 tax year.
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