Sign Up

Why sign in to the Community?

  • Submit a question
  • Check your notifications
or and start working on your taxes
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
sri_gouri_v
New Member

Rental expenses on TT does not match my calculation. I entered prorated exp as I converted property into rental mid year. Is Turbo tax prorating my prorated expenses?

 
3 Replies
Carl
Level 15

Rental expenses on TT does not match my calculation. I entered prorated exp as I converted property into rental mid year. Is Turbo tax prorating my prorated expenses?

Your situation is not uncommon at all, because people incorrectly interpret the information presented by the program because the program does not provide the clarity that is necessary. More commonly it's because they don't read the small print on each screen. I would suggest you delete the rental from the rental section and start over using the below guidance. The below better clarifies what you need to know so that you enter the correct figures into the program.

Note that I can not stress enough the importance of getting the number absotively positutely spot on PERFECT for the first year. Even the tiniest of mistakes will grow exponentially as years pass. Then when you catch the error, (assuming the IRS doesn't catch it first) the cost of correcting it will be high. So your best bet is to read the below and start over in the rental section.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.


sri_gouri_v
New Member

Rental expenses on TT does not match my calculation. I entered prorated exp as I converted property into rental mid year. Is Turbo tax prorating my prorated expenses?

Thank you!
Mako
Returning Member

Rental expenses on TT does not match my calculation. I entered prorated exp as I converted property into rental mid year. Is Turbo tax prorating my prorated expenses?

I rented my home out from 11/1/2018 to 4/30/2019.  Last year the AMT Depreciation Report accurately showed 16.71% for the Business use and properly allocated 16.71% of taxes and mortgage interest on Sch E.

Entering 5/1/2019 for the return to personal, this year 100% of the taxes and depreciation are still showing on the Sch E worksheet.  

Only difference is 2018 I entered 40/324 for the rental/personal days and for 2019 only entered in the rental section per the instructions.  Thoughts??

 

Dynamic AdsDynamic Ads
Privacy Settings
v