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NO, there is no deduction for vacant property. If there is no tenant or it is not ready and available to be rented while repairs are being made, then the expense is not deductible. If it were a major improvement, that amount can be added to the basis.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I live in the property from Jan 1 to Sept 30. so personal days is 9 months and rental days is 3 months. Turbo tax correctly prorates property taxes and insurance.
But why is turbotax prorating repair expenses too ? I made the repairs and fixes after I moved out to get the property ready for rental.
The program does not know when you made the repairs. They are not deductible. Don't include them.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I live in the property from Jan 1 to Sept 30. so personal days is 9 months and rental days is 3 months.
That's wrong. Read the small print. Personal use days is "ZERO". You are being asked for days of personal use "after" you converted the property to a rental. What you used it for before the date of conversion (the "available date") does not count for anything. When you converted the property to rental on OCT 1, it was one hundred percent business use.
If there is no tenant or it is not ready and available to be rented while repairs are being made, then the expense is not deductible
While the above statement is correct, it is incomplete and lacks needed clarity. Below is a gist that provides clarity for that, among other things the program does not clarity very well, or at all.
Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.
Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter was contracted to move in, and/or "could" have moved in. That would be your "in service" date or after if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters do not count for actual days rented. Please see IRS Publication927 page 17 at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p527.pdf#en_US_2020_publink1000219175 Read the “Example” in the third column.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence, 2nd home, or any other personal use reasons after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.
RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED
Property Improvement.
Property improvements are expenses you incur that Improve, restore, or otherwise “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property.
Betterments:
Expenses that may result in a betterment to your property include expenses for fixing a pre-existing defect or condition, enlarging or expanding your property, or increasing the capacity, strength, or quality of your property. An example of a pre-existing condition or defect in this context would be something such as foundation repair (slab jacking) or some other, hidden and costly, anomaly.
Restoration:
Expenses that may be for restoration include expenses for replacing a substantial structural part of your property, repairing damage to your property after you properly adjusted the basis of your property as a result of a casualty loss, or rebuilding your property to a like-new condition.
Adaptation:
Expenses that may be for adaptation include expenses for altering your property to a use that isn’t consistent with the intended ordinary use of your property when you began renting the property. Adding a wheelchair ramp would be an example.
Expenses for these types of costs are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.
To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria need to be met:
1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.
2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.
There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements instead of capitalizing and depreciating them, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.
Cleaning & Maintenance
Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and its assets in the usable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.
Repair
Those expenses incurred to return the property or its assets to the same usable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.
Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.
However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2-bedroom house into a 3-bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.
@bsrinis wrote:
But why is turbotax prorating repair expenses too ? I made the repairs and fixes after I moved out to get the property ready for rental.
That is simply the manner in which the program handles repair expenses; it prorates them if there are different types of use during the tax year.
However, you can make a manual adjustment if the repairs were effected during the time the property was rented or available for rent.
Thanks for the clarity. For some reason the turbotax software doesn't not make this clear. The wording is such that it is easy to confused personal days and rental days if owner lived in the property for a part of the year and then moved out to rent it.
When you first started, you had to choose that your converted your property. This is a before and after situation. Before conversion, it was your home, after, it was a rental.
How do you make a manual adjustment for actual rental repair expenses so that Turbotax does not prorate these expenses between Personal and Rental? I want to report actual repair expenses on Schedule E for those repairs I made while the property was being rented, prior to converting it to person. But Turbotax is prorating these expenses.
For property converted from rental to personal property in a given year, how do you make the manual adjustment to report actual repair expenses incurred for the rental property? Turbotax is prorating these expenses between personal days and rented days and I can not determine how to make this manual adjustment as you indicated was possible on your April 17, 2022 post. Thanks
When you are going through the questions in the Rental Income and Expenses section of your return, it is important to keep in mind that you ceased to have a rental property once it was converted to personal use. You should not have any personal use days entered for the rental property unless it was a vacation rental that was also used as your home.
This should correct any issues with repairs being prorated between personal and rental use days.
Also, be aware that expenses such as mortgage interest and property tax should be prorated and entered according to the time the property was a rental versus the time it was your personal residence. Pay attention to the messages on the screen in order to enter this information accurately.
@TaxingFool wrote:
For property converted from rental to personal property in a given year, how do you make the manual adjustment to report actual repair expenses incurred for the rental property? Turbotax is prorating these expenses between personal days and rented days....
You need to make the adjustment manually on the Schedule E Worksheet (that typically requires using Forms Mode, which is not generally available in the online versions of TurboTax).
Note that per Section 280A(e)(1), taxpayers are required to allocate expenses between rental and personal use.
In any case where a taxpayer who is an individual or an S corporation uses a dwelling unit for personal purposes on any day during the taxable year (whether or not he is treated under this section as using such unit as a residence), the amount deductible under this chapter with respect to expenses attributable to the rental of the unit (or portion thereof) for the taxable year shall not exceed an amount which bears the same relationship to such expenses as the number of days during each year that the unit (or portion thereof) is rented at a fair rental bears to the total number of days during such year that the unit (or portion thereof) is used.
Thank you so much! This corrected my problem of the rental expenses being prorated by Turbotax.
My tenant moved out in March and in April I had to do some repairs, cleaning and maintenance prior to converting the property to my personal residence in May. Am I am to deduct expense items performed in April as rental expense (things like drywall repair, painting, grout cleaning, carpet cleaning, lock rekey, misc. cleaning supplies)? Thanks again for your expertise!
@TaxingFool wrote:
Am I am to deduct expense items performed in April as rental expense (things like drywall repair, painting, grout cleaning, carpet cleaning, lock rekey, misc. cleaning supplies)?
Provided you did not take the rental out of service as a rental (it was available for rent), you can deduct repair expenses.
No, the moment your tenant moved out it ceased to be rental property, unless you were making it immediately available to another renter. It became your personal use property. These improvements will be added to the basis of your home.
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