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On the enter purchase price screen for a rental, what do I enter for purchase price and date? The house was refinanced twice, do I use the last refi date and amount?

 
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On the enter purchase price screen for a rental, what do I enter for purchase price and date? The house was refinanced twice, do I use the last refi date and amount?

NO! you do not include refi's in cost.  the cost you need to enter is what you paid plus the cost of major improvements.  then compare that to the FMV on the date you put it up for rental.  use the lower of the two.  also, note that part of the basis must be allocated to land.  

Carl
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On the enter purchase price screen for a rental, what do I enter for purchase price and date? The house was refinanced twice, do I use the last refi date and amount?

Use the price you paid when you originally purchased the property. Refi's don't count for this at all.

The program will set things up so that you depreciate the property based on the *LESSER* of what you paid for it, or it's FMV at the time it was placed in service.

If placed in service in 2019, then there's no question that what you paid for it is the lesser. 

When setting this up in TurboTax, perfection in that first year is not an option. It's a must. Even the tiniest of mistakes *WILL* grow exponentially as the years pass. Then when you catch the error if the IRS doesn't catch it first, the cost of fixing your boo-boo will be expensive. I guarantee it.

The information below provides you the clarity that, in my personal opinion, the program does not provide to a first time landlord. Any questions, please ask.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

On the enter purchase price screen for a rental, what do I enter for purchase price and date? The house was refinanced twice, do I use the last refi date and amount?

Thank you for the helpful information!

 

I have another question, this time regarding mortgage interest and real estate taxes.

 

The property is in my name, so I got a 1098 for the rental.  I added the 1098 info under my deductions and credits, but I also added the mortgage interest and taxes in the rental expenses.  Is this correct?  Seems like Im double dipping on the deductions.....

RobertG
Expert Alumni

On the enter purchase price screen for a rental, what do I enter for purchase price and date? The house was refinanced twice, do I use the last refi date and amount?

Yes, you are double dipping on the expenses.

 

You can only claim them once.

 

You should claim them on the rental side only.

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