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Carl
Level 15

Losses when renting a room in your own home

TTax step-by-step it puts my rented room-in-home "C" into Column C in Schedule E, arrives at a loss (after I pro-rated all costs by square foot method, including a share of depreciation on my home) AND THEN TOTALS THAT LOSS WITH GAINS ON RENTAL PROPERTIES in columns A and B AND LOWERS MY OVERALL RENTAL REAL ESTATE INCOME (ie. Passive Income).

Exactly as it should.

my understanding is that renting out a room in your HOME/PRIMARY RESIDENCE is a "special situation" and "IRC section 280A(c)(5) limits deductions to such residential rental income; no deduction for loss is allowed.

Your understanding appears to be wrong. You have no personal use of the percentage being rented out, and it's rented at FMV to a non-related party. So all losses are allowed with the excess loss carried over.

I have been searching for days on TTax forum and the internet (Nolo, etc.),

I personally don't take what websites other than irs.gov say as gospel. I've seen 3rd party sites where one interprets an irs publication one way, and other interprets the IRC the opposite way. Leaves to much room for mistakes. I myself go by the pubs, as I find the IRCs to be extremely wrought with an over abundance of legalese.

Also, Proposed Regulations section 1.280A-3(d)(3)] is just that; a proposal. It's not law until passed by congress. Don't know when that was posted on the website. But I get the impression it's pretty old since it provides publish dates back in the 1980's. Being that it's signed by Jerome Kertz as the Commissioner of Internal Revenue makes me disregard it even more since he was the commissioner from 1977 - 1980. Additionally, he passed away back in 2015.

 

 

 

 

Losses when renting a room in your own home


@Carl wrote:

Also, Proposed Regulations section 1.280A-3(d)(3)] is just that; a proposal. It's not law until passed by congress. Don't know when that was posted on the website. But I get the impression it's pretty old since it provides publish dates back in the 1980's.


Treasury regulations are never passed by Congress and the age of a regulation makes absolutely no difference with regard to its force and effect nor does the identity of the current (or past) Commissioner.

 

Congressed passed the Internal Revenue Code which grants the authority to the Treasury Department to promulgate regulations which have the same effect as actual law (although any Code section would supplant a regulation to the extent the two were inconsistent).

 

A proposed regulation provides at least some guidance as to how the Treasury Department would interpret a particular Code section.

Losses when renting a room in your own home

@Carl - Point well taken!  To save a bit of 'face' on my side, though. The article by the Professor in Accounting in the National CPA Journal was only a year or two old though 😉

JD9834
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Losses when renting a room in your own home

In general, proposed regulations are viewed by the courts as carrying no more weight than a position advanced in a brief. They are merely suggestions made for public comment and are not entitled to deference. See the McNamee v. Dep't of Treasury, 488 F.3d 100, 109 (2d Cir. 2007) case, suggesting that proposed Treasury regulations do not represent the considered interpretation of a statute and are merely an option under consideration.  The Internal Revenue Manual appears to confirm that taxpayers are not bound by proposed regulations: Proposed regulations provide guidance concerning Treasury's interpretation of a Code section. * * * Taxpayers may rely on a proposed regulation, although they are not required to do so. Courts almost uniformly regard no deference whatsoever to proposed regulations.

Losses when renting a room in your own home

This is an old thread, but there is a lot of incorrect information here.  When you rent out rooms in your home, your deductions are limited to the amount of rental income.  This is based on 280A(c)(5), and this has been upheld in tax court.  This limitation doesn't apply if the tenants have a separate "dwelling unit" (such as a duplex, where the rental portion has its own kitchen, etc.), but if they are sharing your "dwelling unit", then your deductions are limited to your rental income.  The $25,000 loss allowance doesn't apply.  But there is an exception for short-term rentals.

 

For people who prefer to see an IRS source, see IRS publication 415:

 

"If you use the dwelling unit for both rental and personal purposes, you generally must divide your total expenses between the rental use and the personal use based on the number of days used for each purpose. You won't be able to deduct your rental expense in excess of the gross rental income limitation (your gross rental income less the rental portion of mortgage interest, real estate taxes, casualty losses, and rental expenses like realtors' fees and advertising costs). However, you may be able to carry forward some of these rental expenses to the next year, subject to the gross rental income limitation for that year. If you itemize your deductions on Schedule A (Form 1040), Itemized Deductions, you may still be able to deduct your personal portion of mortgage interest, property taxes, and casualty losses from federally declared disasters on that schedule."

 

If you want to read how it plays out in tax court, see FRANK SHIH v. COMMISSIONER (1997).  

 

"Each tenant had exclusive use of his or her bedroom and, along with petitioner, had access to and the right to use the common areas of the house, including the kitchen, living room, dining room, bathroom, and laundry room."  ... "Taking into account petitioner's personal use of the San Bruno residence during the qualified rental period would, based solely upon such use, give rise to the application of section 280A(c)(5). Because petitioner continued to use the San Bruno residence for personal purposes (as his residence) while attempting to rent out the remaining bedrooms, he cannot rely upon section 280A(d)(4) to avoid the application of section 280A(c)(5). See Walsh v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 1987-18."

 

"If a taxpayer uses a dwelling unit for rental purposes and as a residence during the taxable year, section 280A(c)(5) limits the deductions attributable to the rental use of the dwelling unit to an amount not to exceed the excess of the gross rental income derived from the rental use over the sum of: (1) The deductions allocable to the rental use that are otherwise allowable regardless of such rental use (such as mortgage interest and real estate taxes); plus (2) any deductions that are allocable to the rental activity in which the rental use of the residence occurs, but that are not allocable to the rental use of the residence itself. As a result, a taxpayer cannot normally offset against unrelated income a net rental loss incurred from, and attributable to, the rental use of the taxpayer's residence. Feldman v. Commissioner, 84 T.C. 1, 5 (1985), affd. 791 F.2d 781 (9th Cir. 1986)."

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