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Yes, your assumptions are correct. You did not buy the car until the lease ended. It is short-term.
I did the same thing - sold the car about three weeks after buying from the leasing company. However, before I could resell the car, I had to put the title and registration in my name. Can I include those costs ($106.50) in the cost-basis for the car? Thank you.
@thesimroths wrote:
I did the same thing - sold the car about three weeks after buying from the leasing company. However, before I could resell the car, I had to put the title and registration in my name. Can I include those costs ($106.50) in the cost-basis for the car? Thank you.
No.
However, I wonder if part of your lease payments should be included in the cost basis.
I would think the cost of titling and registration *would* be included in the basis. Is there an authority that explains this further?
Nowhere in IRS literature does it express that these are included in the basis of a vehicle.
In terms of registration fees, the IRS does say this:
Actual Expenses - To use the actual expense method, you must determine what it actually costs to operate the car for the portion of the overall use of the car that's business use. Include gas, oil, repairs, tires, insurance, registration fees, licenses, and depreciation (or lease payments) attributable to the portion of the total miles driven that are business miles.
@adbeckwith1 wrote:
I would think the cost of titling and registration *would* be included in the basis. Is there an authority that explains this further?
Here is the IRS publication on basis.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p551.pdf
If you need to pay "legal fees" in order to obtain a title, I can see an argument for that being part of the basis. But not the registration fee. That's for the privilege of driving in a particular state, which is separate from owning the asset.
@Opus 17 wrote:
@thesimroths wrote:
I did the same thing - sold the car about three weeks after buying from the leasing company. However, before I could resell the car, I had to put the title and registration in my name. Can I include those costs ($106.50) in the cost-basis for the car? Thank you.
No.
However, I wonder if part of your lease payments should be included in the cost basis.
@Hal_Al , @Carl , @rjs any ideas?
My friends haven't weighed it, but I am still of the opinion that part of your lease should be considered money that you paid for the car and included in the basis. Specifically, the capitalized cost (not the interest, or acquisition fees, or excess mileage fees, or other fees, etc.)
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/how-does-leasing-a-car-work
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/car-leasing-costs-taxes-fees
Quoting:
Let's look at an example using a 2019 Honda CR-V to illustrate. For simplicity, we’ll say that you negotiated a $30,000 price for the purchase or lease, and you’re going to make a $3,000 down payment with either transaction. If you get financing for five years with a 5 percent interest rate on a loan from a bank, credit union, or other financial institution, the monthly payment is $510 for the purchase of the Honda. You can use our car loan calculator to figure this out.
Let's say you choose to lease instead. For this example, we'll assume that your CR-V will be valued at $17,000 after three years and you're getting an interest rate (called the "money factor" in leasing) that's equivalent to 5 percent. The difference between the negotiated price and the residual value is $13,000. You'll pay $3,000 up front, and the remainder of $10,000 will get split up into equal monthly payments. Generally, your first month's payment is included in the amount you pay up front, so the remaining $10,000 gets divided over 35 equal monthly payments. Your lease payments will be about $308 per month, plus some fees.
That sure sounds to me like your capitalized cost should be part of your basis.
Thanks all for the responses. Since it's not really clear, I am not going to include the title and registration fees in the cost basis of the car. Since they're not a significant amount of money, it's easier and cleaner to just not include.
As an aside, in NJ you do not have a choice but you have to register the car when you get the title whether you plan to drive the car or not.
Thanks again!
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