So, my mother died in August and I inherited a rental property from her. I know that the fair market value is what I will base my depreciation on in general, but I'm also preparing her final return-- Do I also depreciate it on her taxes or is there some sort of rule for which tax return I depreciate it on? She got more months worth of rent than I did but I'm the poor sucker who had to throw six thousand in repairs at the horrid thing.
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- If the property went through probate (weather she had a will or not, this is usually what occurs) the property was transferred to and titled to the estate. All prior depreciation is "carried over" to the estate.
Title does NOT get transferred to the estate and prior depreciation does NOT get "carried over" to the estate. Depreciation that has accumulated on the property disappears as of the date of death of the former owner because the property gets a step up in basis AS OF the date of death, whether in the hands of the estate or directly to the heir or heirs due to laws of the state where the property is located.
You've got that right....depreciation starts over for you so it's the value at the date of her death and she gets the income and depreciation deduction up to the date of her death.
If the house did not go to the estate, then there's no way you can say you filed a "final" 1040 tax return for your mother. As it stands now (the way I see it) you'll also be filing a 2021 tax return for your mother.
The statements above are 100% FALSE. Everyone who dies has some kind of estate and your mother's house would be included. MORE IMPORTANTLY you need to file a final 1040 for your mother FOR THE TAX YEAR IN WHICH SHE PASSED and that was NOT 2021. The way Carl "sees it" is WRONG and I'm not sure how "30 plus years with rentals" qualifies him to answer questions centered around estates and final returns for deceased taxpayers.
You can do whatever you like @loeden but you MUST file a final return for your mother and that return will have an END date on the date of her death. Everything up until that point....income, expenses, depreciation....is reported on that return and EVERYTHING AFTER that date is reported on the estate return or on your return depending on the circumstances......annnnd don't forget that the estate can reimburse you for expenses you paid out of your own pocket for expenses that the estate should have paid.
@bfamily96 You NEED to use the accountant that filed form 706 and your 1040 for 2020. This is NOT the year to do it yourself. If a 706 was filed that means the gross estate plus adjusted taxable gifts and specific exemption exceeded $11 million. Otherwise SCH A SHOULD have the correct values to use for your basis and depreciation does start over at 27.5 years for residential RE. Also any value increase between the date of death OR alternate valuation date and the date of sale would be capital gain.
@bfamily96 wrote: I agree that your answers are awsome.
Be careful about what you've read in the posts here. Some of the information is 100% wrong and some other information is only someone's opinion. Take everything with a grain of salt and not as gospel.
So, my mother died in August and I inherited a rental property from her.
I'm sorry for your loss. I know having to deal with the taxes doesn't exactly make things any easier either.
I know that the fair market value is what I will base my depreciation on in general, but I'm also preparing her final return-- Do I also depreciate it on her taxes or is there some sort of rule for which tax return I depreciate it on?
Yes, depreciation on her personal 1040 tax return that you are completing on her behalf, will continue as normal. You're only taking 7 or 8 months of depreciation for 2020 anyway, as that return you're completing for her only covers income/expenses received/incurred up to the date of her passing.
As of the date of her passing one of two things will happen, depending.
- If the property went through probate (weather she had a will or not, this is usually what occurs) the property was transferred to and titled to the estate. All prior depreciation is "carried over" to the estate. All rental income/expenses incurred from the date of her passing until the property was titled to you, is reported on the 1041 Estate tax return. Once the estate has disposed of all assets (which would include the rental property) then the 1041 Estate return being filed is marked as "final" in the tax year all assets of the estate are disposed of. Usually through inheritance, estate sale, charitable donation, or any number of other methods of disposition.
Once the property is titled to you, then there are a number of things that will change.
- your cost basis in the property is the FMV of the property on the date of your mother's passing. That will most likely be quite a bit higher than what your mother's cost basis was.
- All prior depreciation taken by your mother and the estate just "evaporates". Your acquisition date will be the date the property was titled to you. (and your cost basis of that acquisition is the FMV of the property on the date of your mother's passing.... *NOT* the date it was titled to you.)
When you enter the property on your 1040 tax return, you have to indicate how you acquired the property. One of the selections is that you inherited it. You'll select that one.
If you intend to keep renting the property out, then you can classify it as residential rental real estate with an "in service" date of the same date you acquired it (assuming there was a renter in the property on that date, or the property was at least being advertised for rent on that date.)
-Depreciation starts all over for you, based on your new FMV of the property. The rental property will be depreciated over the next 27.5 years starting on the date you inherited it, or the date you placed the property "in service"; whichever date is last.
She got more months worth of rent than I did but I'm the poor sucker who had to throw six thousand in repairs at the horrid thing.
Your cost are claimable on your tax return. For those things that qualify as property improvements, they actually add to your cost basis and get depreciated over time, just like the rental property itself gets depreciated over time. For those things that qualify as repairs, maintenance and other types of expenses, they are deductible in the tax year you incurred those expenses.
Below is some information I'm hoping you'll find helpful and educational on this. If you have more questions (and if you're a first time landlord, I'm sure you will) then by all means, please ask.
Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.
Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.
RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED
Property Improvement.
Property improvements are expenses you incur that “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.
To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:
1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.
2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.
There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.
Cleaning & Maintenance
Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Repair
Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.
However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.
- If the property went through probate (weather she had a will or not, this is usually what occurs) the property was transferred to and titled to the estate. All prior depreciation is "carried over" to the estate.
Title does NOT get transferred to the estate and prior depreciation does NOT get "carried over" to the estate. Depreciation that has accumulated on the property disappears as of the date of death of the former owner because the property gets a step up in basis AS OF the date of death, whether in the hands of the estate or directly to the heir or heirs due to laws of the state where the property is located.
Wow, this is an incredible amount of information, thank you! So, to complicate things though, I just did a small estate probate in our state of residence (Wyoming) through my lawyer which settled the entire thing without full probate since Wyoming is awesome like that. The one thing that it didn't cover was this house.
This absolute dumpster-fire albatross of a house is in Pennsylvania, which will apparently cost me two thou for an adjunct probate (or something like that) and a 4% inheritance tax because Pennsylvania is a horrible, horrible place for inheriting anything. I engaged a lawyer out there to take care of it and all I've heard for four months is 'Oh, the courthouses are closed because of covid.' So even though I'm the only inheritor in a very simple will which is otherwise entirely resolved, the house isn't actually in my name yet. I paid the full property taxes on it, I am receiving the rent for it from the tenants and paying the repairs, but I don't know if that will influence anything. To clarify, do I pro-rate the depreciation cost to 8/12 months for her (using her old number) and 4/12 months for me (using the most current valuation from the county assessor in the year of her death) or do I use the full number on both?
Thanks again!
(edited for a bit more clarity)
You've got that right....depreciation starts over for you so it's the value at the date of her death and she gets the income and depreciation deduction up to the date of her death.
the house isn't actually in my name yet I paid the full property taxes on it, I am receiving the rent for it from the tenants and paying the repairs, but I don't know if that will influence anything.
That's not quite right. Until you legally own the house (and you did not own it at all in 2020) you can't receive the rent. It's not yet your money. The house, if not in probate or transferred to the estate yet, is still reported on your mother's 1040 tax return. If it was transferred to the estate, then all the rental stuff is reported on the 1041 estate return for 2020 from the time of your mother's passing.
All rental income received goes into the estate account. This is something that if the PA lawyer did not already set up, using the excuse of COVID, then you should fire them immediately if not sooner. They're just soaking you and the estate for all they can get. Using COVID as the excuse is a bunch of BS. I lost count of the number of estates that have been dealt with and dissolved 100% on line without anyone ever stepping foot into a courthouse for *anything*. No exceptions.
So bottom line is, all rental income received in 2020 is *NOT* yours to keep yet. It goes into the estate. All repairs and other rental expenses are *NOT* paid by you. They are paid by the estate. You will *NOT* report anything concerning this rental on your 2020 tax return. It all gets reported on the 1041 estate return.
Until that rental property is in your name, you *MUST* follow your mother's will as well as the laws of the state where your mother lived. Even if there was no will, you must still follow the laws of the state where your mother claimed residence. To a point, it does not matter that the property is in a non-resident state.
I engaged a lawyer out there
Why? Do you think local lawyers in your area never handle these situations with out-of-state assets? Probate lawyers handles this stuff all the time. Find a local lawyer. They can handle it just fine, if not better than a PA lawyer.
You have to follow PA law and that is: Legal title to all real estate of a decedent shall pass at his death to his heirs or devisees, subject, however, to all the powers granted to the personal representative by this title and lawfully by the will and to all orders of the court. But the court controls until probate is settled and until that time the income and expenses should be reported on form 1041 for the estate with you as the beneficiary.....so it doesn't matter anyway because all of it flows to you.
It's wise to get a PA lawyer because someone needs to deal with the actual transfer of title....which is recording a deed but you need "Letters" and an affidavit and a copy of the will or administration for that and someone has to file that stuff for recordation. Someone also has to file a PA inheritance tax return and the same local lawyer could do that. It's the opposite of what Carl said = when there is real estate involved you have to follow the laws of the state in which the real estate is located.
Ah, wow, that's quite confusing then. It was my lawyer who already did the estate (It was finished in early November) under Wyoming's small estate wavier, which does not require formal probate. They passed me along to a lawyer out there and it's been the runaround ever since. The estate itself doesn't exist since probate wasn't required and the will was filed and all that happy fun stuff done ages ago but I was told I had to let the other lawyer handle the house.
I do think I'm going to fire the guy though. Pretty sure I'm getting all kinds of runaround and I swear if I have to file ANOTHER year of her dead person taxes because of this I'm going to flip my lid. Thanks for the information!
It was my lawyer who already did the estate (It was finished in early November) under Wyoming's small estate wavier, which does not require formal probate.
Probate or not, the money is not yours until the property is transferred to your name. Any expenses incurred before it's in your name are "NOT" deductible by you on your tax return. The property will "not" be reported on SCH E on "your" tax return.
If the house did not go to the estate, then there's no way you can say you filed a "final" 1040 tax return for your mother. As it stands now (the way I see it) you'll also be filing a 2021 tax return for your mother.
Now understand that I am not a lawyer and make no claims to "knowing the law". But based on my experience with rentals (30 plus years) this is how I see it. I would be interested what the new lawyer says about my comments, once you find and hire one you can trust to some degree. All this crap about COVID being the reason it's taking so long is an absolute bunch of crap...... and I don't have to be a lawyer to know that's a fact.
If the house did not go to the estate, then there's no way you can say you filed a "final" 1040 tax return for your mother. As it stands now (the way I see it) you'll also be filing a 2021 tax return for your mother.
The statements above are 100% FALSE. Everyone who dies has some kind of estate and your mother's house would be included. MORE IMPORTANTLY you need to file a final 1040 for your mother FOR THE TAX YEAR IN WHICH SHE PASSED and that was NOT 2021. The way Carl "sees it" is WRONG and I'm not sure how "30 plus years with rentals" qualifies him to answer questions centered around estates and final returns for deceased taxpayers.
This makes sense! I'll just put all of the rental stuff on her taxes (Going to be a heck of a bummer since it was my money I spent on repairs) but it is what it is. When I called another lawyer in that town they were all 'oh, the courthouse is open by appointment' so it seems I've been strung along rather badly. What a mess. Still, everyone who took time to clarify for me has helped a lot and I will use the rest of the information for next year's taxes when I get to go through this all over again, haha.
Thanks again, folks.
Edit: Since there's some disagreement here I may just consult an accountant too, I'm usually good with taxes but this is officially in over my head now
You can do whatever you like @loeden but you MUST file a final return for your mother and that return will have an END date on the date of her death. Everything up until that point....income, expenses, depreciation....is reported on that return and EVERYTHING AFTER that date is reported on the estate return or on your return depending on the circumstances......annnnd don't forget that the estate can reimburse you for expenses you paid out of your own pocket for expenses that the estate should have paid.
Of course and I would love to, but the problem is there is no estate and no corresponding tin since Wyoming's small estate wavier skips the probate process entirely. I literally am the estate, it was just her and me. Everything else was settled with a bit of paperwork (transfer on death deeds are amazing!) other than this one horrible house and there might be an estate for that if the lawyer hadn't just spent four months stringing me along without filing a single thing. 😕
My plan is to get another lawyer and to get an accountant, I can't file on an estate that doesn't exist and has never existed (yet.) Maybe before tax time a new lawyer can make one for me, I'll have to wait it out and tap the professionals on this.
Again I want to thank everyone for their time, even if the answers were very unfortunate ones for me 🙂 I think we can consider this topic played out.
I agree that your answers are awsome. My case is similar, but a little different. My wife and I both owned rental property jointly in our Living Trust. My wife passed away in October, 2020. I had the rental property in California (a communuity property state) appraised as of the date of death. My accountant filed the IRS Form 706 and 1040 for 2020. I want to use TurboTax to file my 2021 taxes. Is the basis of the rental property used for 2021 taxes the same as Carl's case? Do I also enter the way I acquired the property in TurboTax as inherited, or perhaps split the amount as owned and inherited? Can I use the Schedule A of Form 706 to determine the new cost basis and begin depreciating the rental property over 27.5 years? Can you confirm that any improvements to the rental property made after the date of death will have the applicable useful life, not 27.5 years? One asset was a 2004 automobile that I had appraised, and I sold it in January 2021. I understand that I have to claim the small increase in value between October, 2020 and January, 2021 as 2021 income. How do I do this?
@bfamily96 You NEED to use the accountant that filed form 706 and your 1040 for 2020. This is NOT the year to do it yourself. If a 706 was filed that means the gross estate plus adjusted taxable gifts and specific exemption exceeded $11 million. Otherwise SCH A SHOULD have the correct values to use for your basis and depreciation does start over at 27.5 years for residential RE. Also any value increase between the date of death OR alternate valuation date and the date of sale would be capital gain.
@bfamily96 wrote: I agree that your answers are awsome.
Be careful about what you've read in the posts here. Some of the information is 100% wrong and some other information is only someone's opinion. Take everything with a grain of salt and not as gospel.
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