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dsbeardsley
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Pretty sure I know the answer here but hoping for confirmation. My dependent college student paid for room and board using 529 distributions from both parents and grandparents (separately owned accounts). I presume that the parents can only enter the amount that was paid with the parent 529 (and *not* the grandparent 529) under the "Room and Board" section of "Education Expenses", yes?

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AmyC
Expert Alumni

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Room and board is to help make the 529 not taxable and has no effect on your tax credit. You don't need to worry about their contribution to room and board on your tax return.  IRS Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education states:

If the entire 1099-Q went to qualified expenses, room and board, tuition, etc then you do not need to enter the form. Tuition paid for the first 3 months of the next year also qualify, see page 12, What Expenses Qualify, and page 52 for qualified distributions.

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Q.  I presume that the parents can only enter the amount that was paid with the parent 529 (and *not* the grandparent 529) under the "Room and Board" section of "Education Expenses", yes?

A. Yes, basically.  But

It does not matter what funds were used to pay for what expenses. The family is allowed to allocate expenses anyway they want, for the maximum tax benefit. But you cannot "double dip". So, the parent and  and the grand parent can agree to split the room & board (R&B) anyway they want. Only if they can't agree, do actual payments govern. So, for example, if the parents are in a higher tax bracket, allocate the room & board to their distribution first. But, even that may not be the simple answer.  You also need to look at the earnings amount in box 2 of the 1099-Qs.  Allocating to the higher box 2 1099-Q first, maybe the better alternative. 

 

The allocate anyway you want rule goes for other expenses as well. You can allocate tuition to scholarships or to the tax credit, for maximum tax benefits.

 

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

References:

  1. On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 
  2. IRS Pub 970 states: “Generally, distributions are tax free if they aren't more than the beneficiary's AQEE for the year. Don't report tax-free distributions (including qualifying rollovers) on your tax return”.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings

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There is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents  (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship.  You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.

Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.

Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.

dsbeardsley
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Thanks for that very detailed reply. However, I think my question is much simpler than all that and maybe I didn't state it well initially. I'll try again...

 

My son received 529 fund distributions from myself and two grandparents to pay for room and board. When I am filing *my* taxes, I should only include the 529 distributions made from *my* accounts, yes? I should not include the 529 distributions from other people's accounts when I am entering, for example, the amount spent on Room and Board that was paid for by 529 funds. I only enter *my* 529 fund distributions, correct?

 

The 529 fund distributions from grandparents went directly to my son (as the beneficiary) to pay for room and board--they never passed through me. So I'm pretty sure I don't even consider those in my tax return.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Q. When I am filing *my* taxes, I should only include the 529 distributions made from *my* accounts, yes?

A. Yes.

Q. I should not include the 529 distributions from other people's accounts when I am entering, for example, the amount spent on Room and Board that was paid for by 529 funds. I only enter *my* 529 fund distributions, correct?

A. Correct. 

 

That assumes that the student's total room and board expenses were equal to or more than the total of all of the 529 distributions.  If that's the case (and it sounds like it is), then you (and the grandparents) don't need to enter the 1099-Qs. You know it comes out to none of the distribution being taxable. 

GA502
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Does this work if the earnings are relatively high? and also the tuition is high? What if the first number in your example was 20,000, and the scholarship was much smaller, so even after subtracting the scholarship and the 4,000 for AO Credit, you still have 15,000. Which is roughly twice the earnings. Does that mean none of it is taxable? Does it mean the student does not have to file a return if they do not meet other income limits? Even if the parents claim the $4000 spent (closer to $1500 actual). Having trouble following your example because my numbers are kind of upside-down.
If tuition and housing were paid from two separate 529s, and ALL of the one spent on room/board went to room/board. Should I just run the calculation on the 529 that went to tuition?
Lets say 12,000 for qualified tuition after scholarship. - 4000 for the credit, I still end up with a figure (~8000) which is larger than the earnings (~6000). Does it cancel out? or does it mean a higher tax?

Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

@GA502 

 

Q. Which is roughly twice the earnings. Does that mean none of it is taxable? 

A.  No. You do not compare the expenses available to the box 2 (1099-Q)  earnings amount.  You compare it to the box 1 distribution amount. See example above. 

 

I can't follow all that. It appears you trying to do it pieces. You have to do the whole.

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1st 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1st 1099-Q
  • Box 1 of the 2nd 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 2nd 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Qs, parent, grandparent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Is parent trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?

 

GA502
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

I would rather not use exact figures for privacy but will use some round numbers and answer your questions. Also the reason for doing part is that we have some out of pocket that can count toward the AOC, including about $1000 of (student) loan. But we do not have $4,000, as I will describe

  •  
  • Are you the student or parent. Parent
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.YES 
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T $14,000
  • box 5 of the 1098-T $1,400
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5 no
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not) no
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition ( Yes, it is applied as a discount of tuition)
  • Box 1 of the 1st 1099-Q 13,000
  • Box 2 of the 1st 1099-Q 7,000
  • Box 1 of the 2nd 1099-Q 5,000
  • Box 2 of the 2nd 1099-Q 900
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Qs,  Student
  • Room & board paid.  All was paid with 2nd 529 -do you need to know amt? use $5000
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers (waiting on more info from student but as of right now, about $100 in books and $400 in enrollment fee.
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources $75 in unearned income. $500 from an internship stipend that was paid in a gift card. No 1099-misc received I assume since it was under $600 (we intend of course to report it) But it was NOT self-employment. [ currently the student income is below requirement to file threshhold]
  • Is parent trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)? Parents are eligible, income is within limits. Yes we want to claim the credit. 
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student? undergrad, eligible for AOC
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more? yes, eligible
Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

"Out of pocket" and loans do not matter.  You have expenses,  than you have tax attributes (529 distribution, AOC, scholarship)  to allocate those expenses to.  It does not matter (except for restricted scholarship) how the "payments" were applied. You are free to allocate for the best tax benefit.

 

So, first allocate $4000 of tuition to the AOC. 

$1400 of the tuition must be allocated to the restricted scholarship.

Everything else goes to the 529 distributions.  Yes, you need to know the amount of room & board.  Allocate first to the 1st 1099-Q, since it's earnings percentage is higher than the 2nd. My math says the 1st 1099-Q is fully covered.  About 80% of the $900 earnings in box 2 of the 2nd 1099-Q will be taxable. The credit/scholarship exception will apply, so there will be not penalty.

 

Bottom line: The student does not have to file a tax return and neither 1099-Q needs to be reported. His unearned income is less than $1300 (the stipend is earned income. even if it wasn't he's still under $1300).

The only tax reporting you need to do is claim the AOC on your return, with his 1098-T. 

 

GA502
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Thank you. I appreciate your knowledge on this. I still get stuck at one point.
*"Allocate first to the 1st 1099-Q, since it's earnings percentage is higher than the 2nd. My math says the 1st 1099-Q is fully covered.  About 80% of the $900 earnings in box 2 of the 2nd 1099-Q will be taxable. "

Can you explain exactly how this works? 
Right now, barring finding some more expenses when I examine the student's account, if we just go with what was paid out of the 529s, once I allocate for the $4000 of the AOC, I have about $9000 there. But about $12,000 distributed from the first 529.

Here is where I get lost. 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Q. Can you explain exactly how this works? 

A. See example above (below the line on my 1st post)

 

$14000 tuition minus 1400 to scholarship and $4000 to AOTC = $8600 for the 1099-Qs

8600 + 5000 R&B + $500 books&fees = $14,100 expenses for the 1099-Qs

$14,100 - 13,000 for the 1st 1099-Q = $1100 for the 2nd

 

1100/ 5000 = 22% of the distribution is qualified.  78% of the earnings are taxable. 0.78 x $900 = $702 reportable income.  That is not enough income for the student to have to file. 

 

"What if" we first allocate the expenses to the 2nd 1099-Q.  14,100 - 5000 = $9100 expenses for the 1st 1099-Q. 

9100 / 13,000 = 70% qualified. 30% of the earning are taxable.  0.30 x 7000 = $2100 taxable income (vs $702 the other way).

GA502
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Can room and board costs that were not paid by the 529 distribution be counted? [in the expenses total] (like a $500 deposit and $150 to increase the meal plan, all paid to the school's housing office) Or does it matter?

 

or are the only room/board costs allowed to count are ones paid with the 529?

GA502
Returning Member

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

actually when i run my actual numbers it comes out more like only 50 percent of the 2nd 1099Q is uncovered. So very safe with the numbers even without finding additional expenses. I hope this (and my previous) are my last questions on this thread. 

I'm trying to understand that when offsetting the 529 distribution with expenses, it is not a 1:1? 
if you cover 20 percent of the distribution with expenses then only 80 percent of earnings "taxable"?
(or same for 50 percent)?
It is not that if $1000 of earnings is over what is covered, the full $1000 is not taxable? I think this is where I did not understand the accounting as a layperson/self-preparer.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax benefits on 529 distribution from parent and grandparent

Q. Can room and board costs that were not paid by the 529 distribution be counted? 

A. Yes. 

 

Q. Or are the only room/board costs allowed to count are ones paid with the 529?

A. No. It does not matter what expenses were paid with what sources of money.* You are free to allocate the expenses wherever it does most good, tax wise.

 

Q. I'm trying to understand that when offsetting the 529 distribution with expenses, it is not a 1:1? 

A. The expenses to distribution is a 1:1 offset.  But, once you arrive at the percentage of the distribution that is non-qualified, that same percentage of the earnings is taxable. 

 

*With the exception of restricted scholarships.

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