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Hi,
Dependent (Daughter) filed Federal return (accepted; AGI=$6,438) without 1098-T information.
Box1=$10,141
Box5=$14,254
We (parents) entered 1098-T information but says dependent "will need to file a tax return to include $4,113 amount as taxable income". Tried to see if we qualify to report "Child's Under (Under Age 24)" but we didn't qualify for that either. It also says, "If you decide not to report your child's income on your return, or you don't qualify to use Form 8814, the child must file a return, and may have to file Form 8615." Where is Form 8615?
How can we (parents) get the AOTC? Do we need to pay some amount of "qualifying education expense" before we get any amount from AOTC? What if we didn't keep records of the expenses? I read elsewhere that if dependent report all of the 1098-T amount, parents can just enter $3,000. Does that $3,000 need to be supported? Or dependent to record part of the $4,113 amount and the parent another?
We're trying to amend daughter's federal but don't know what's the best scenario.
Please help! Thank you!
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Good question. It could get messy, the program is not designed for that. Just amend federal. You revise the state, as needed. Amend the federal first. The changes should transfer to the state.
Q. Let's just say Box 1 is only $1,000 more than Box 5, would that mean we would have to add $3,000 to the student's taxable to add $4,000 to our return to get the credit?
A. Yes.
Q. The 2nd student has no income, so they're not required to do their taxes, because we would want to claim the credit, does that mean the student will have to do their taxes?
A. No. If the student has less than $13,850 ($12,950 last year) of taxable scholarship and/or work income, he is not required to file a tax return.
But, you may want to have him file to document the reporting of the income as taxable to allow the loop hole.
The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. However receipt of a 1098-T frequently means you are either eligible for a tuition credit or possibly your student has taxable scholarship income.
You claim the tuition credit, and/or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T.
This means you adjust the qualified expenses, to allocate them as needed (and as allowed).
Since Box1 of the 1098-T is $10,141 and Box5 is $14,254, at first glance, you cannot claim a tuition credit because all the qualified expenses were covered by scholarship and the student must report $4113 of scholarship as taxable.
But here is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship. You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.
Using your numbers: Student has $14,254 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $10,141 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $4113 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit (AOTC). But if she reports $8113 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 (the amount needed to maximize the AOTC) of qualified expenses on their return. $4000 of expenses gets you $2500 credit.
Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOTC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $7113of taxable scholarship income, instead of $8113.
It is not an option to report her income on your return (as apparently TT suggested). TT will automatically generate form 8615 if needed, on her return.
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You essentially have to use a work around in TurboTax (TT). Here's how I would do it. Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but only enter $4000 in box 1. No other numbers. You only enter the 1098-T to get TurboTax to check the proper box on form 8863. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS. The 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.
Enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return. Enter book and computer expenses separately. In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. That will put all his excess scholarship as income on his return.
Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s interview. Check the student information work sheet (part VI, line 17) to verify it was entered. If not, the alternate workaround is to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1 amount, when you enter the 1098-T.
There's yet another (and simplest) work around. Manually calculate the taxable amount of scholarship and enter the 1098-T, on his return, with 0 in box 1 and the taxable amount in box 5. Don't enter any other amounts.
Thank you for your reply!
More questions, what about the questions about books and materials? Scholarship or Grant in 2022? Should I click "No" for both as these will be reported on dependent's return?
We went through the process of completing our return and we now qualify for the AOTC. Thank you!
Regarding dependent's return, we will have to amend. Since we cannot find the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" or student information work sheet (part VI, line 17), we're going with the latter, simplest but where can we verify "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" box is 0? Which form is it on?
Also, is the below correct?
Thanks, again, for your help! Just so confusing!
Yes, that all appears correct.
Your bottom line is: the $8113, taxable scholarship, should show up on line 8r of Schedule1*.
Q. where can we verify "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" box is 0? Which form is it on?
A. Line 17 of the Student info worksheet. If you're getting $8113 as taxable scholarship, 0 was used for that amount (and it's no longer important).
*It's important that it be reported there, as scholarship, and not as "other income".
Scholarships are a hybrid between earned and unearned income. It is earned income for purposes of the $12,950 filing requirement and the dependent standard deduction calculation (earned income + $400). It is not earned income for the kiddie tax and other purposes (EIC. IRA contributions ). With the full $12,950 standard deduction, very little will be subject to the kiddie tax. It will be taxable on the state return.
Oh! I found it and Part VI Line 17 is blank. Thank you!
One last question, I hope. Federal was accepted but we didn't send State, do I still Amend the State as well or just Federal?
Good question. It could get messy, the program is not designed for that. Just amend federal. You revise the state, as needed. Amend the federal first. The changes should transfer to the state.
Great! Thank you so so much! Appreciate your time and help!
Hi!
I appreciated your help last year and was wondering if you can help me again. This time the 1098-T is the other way where Box 1 is greater than Box 5. This is for the 2nd child. Do we have to add both of Box 1 & Box 5 for each of the child and treat them separate. Is the max is still $4k for two child? Or $2k for each for a total of $4k? Or should I just disregard the 2nd child as Box 1 is greater than Box 5?
Please help. Thank you so much!
Q. Do we have to add both of Box 1 & Box 5 for each of the child and treat them separate?
A. The question is not clear. You will be claiming two AOTCs, one for each student.
Q. Is the max is still $4k for two child?
A. The maximum credit is $2500 for each child, based on you entering, at least $4000 of qualified expenses for each child. After entering all the info for the first student, you will reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary". Click the "Add a student" button to begin entering the 2nd student's 1098-T and info.
A. Should I just disregard the 2nd child as Box 1 is greater than Box 5?
Q. Yes. If box 1 is bigger than box 5 by $4000 or more, you do not have to make any of his/her scholarship taxable for you to get the credit. So, just don't enter the 1098-T on his return. Of course, you do enter his 1098-T, on your return, to get the credit.
Hi! Thank you for your reply.
Box 1 of the 2nd student is not more than $4,000. Let's just say Box 1 is only $1,000 more than Box 5, would that mean we would have to add $3,000 to the student's taxable to add $4,000 to our return to get the credit?
Additional question. The 2nd student did not work, so they're not required to do their taxes, because we would want to claim the credit, does that mean the student will have to do their taxes?
Q. Let's just say Box 1 is only $1,000 more than Box 5, would that mean we would have to add $3,000 to the student's taxable to add $4,000 to our return to get the credit?
A. Yes.
Q. The 2nd student has no income, so they're not required to do their taxes, because we would want to claim the credit, does that mean the student will have to do their taxes?
A. No. If the student has less than $13,850 ($12,950 last year) of taxable scholarship and/or work income, he is not required to file a tax return.
But, you may want to have him file to document the reporting of the income as taxable to allow the loop hole.
Thank you so much!
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