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I am the parent and my name is listed as the recipient on the 1099-Q but all the distributions were for my daughters college tuition. When I select myself as the recipient and my daughter as the student, the turboxtax software still defaults to the higher taxes. If I select my daughter as the recipient, then the associated tax goes away. Can turbo tax software team fix this issue?
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So far you haven't described anything needing fixing.
The tax doesn't "go away", it just shifts to her return. But, you don't have that option. Since you are the recipient, it must go on your return, if it goes anywhere. See below for the situation when it does not have to be entered at all.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 600= $240
You have $240 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
If you made the distribution, the 1099-Q is issued to you and you are liable for the tax.
If the student makes the distribution, or the funds are transferred directly to the school, the 1099-Q is issued to the student and the student is liable for the tax.
This is based on tax law and that is how the TurboTax program is set up.
If there is taxable income generated by the 1099-Q, the person listed on the 1099-Q is responsible. If the funds were used to pay education expenses, there would be no taxable income unless the expenses are used for a credit. If you select the student as the recipient, the tax doesn't necessarily go away, but it would be reported on the student's return, not yours.
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Based on those numbers, a small amount of the distribution is taxable. A larger amount is taxable, if you claim the tuition credit.
Example 1:
$16,146 in educational expenses
- $0 paid by tax free scholarship
- 0 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$16,146 Can be used against the 1099-Q
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $16,709
Box 2 is $4126
16,146 / 16,709 =96.63% of the earnings are tax free; 3.37% are taxable
0.0337 x 4126 = $139
You have $139of taxable income and a 10% penalty for a non qualified distribution
Example 2:
$16,146 in educational expenses
- $0 paid by tax free scholarship
- 4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$12,146 Can be used against the 1099-Q
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $16,709
Box 2 is $4126
12,146 / 16,709 =72.69% of the earnings are tax free; 27.31% are taxable
0.2731 x 4126 = $1127
You have $1127 of taxable income but get a $2500 Tax Credit (assuming you're otherwise eligible. Only $139 of the $1127 would be subject to the 10% penalty. Claiming a credit is a penalty exception.
You may claim "board" (food) even if your student lives at home. You may claim your actual cost or the school meal plan charge, for on campus residents, whichever is less. For example purposes, I'll use $3800 (my son's school charge per year).
Example 3:
$16,146 in educational expenses
+ 3, 800 Board
- $0 paid by tax free scholarship
- 4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$15,946 Can be used against the 1099-Q
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $16,709
Box 2 is $4126
15946 / 16,709 =95.43% of the earnings are tax free; 4.57% are taxable
0.0457 x 4126 = $188
You have $188 of taxable income and get the $2500 Tax credit
Example 1 is exactly my situation since I am not eligible for the American Opportunity credit due to my income being above $180k. The difference between the 1098T box 1 ($16,146) and the 10999-Q box 1 ($16,709) is $563. The 1098-T is not accurate since my daughter attended summer school ...all the tuition fees would equate to the $16,709.
In any case, I removed the 1099Q information to see the difference in taxes without it and it is less by $602. This is much more than the $139 and hence my concern that the software is not accurate.
Also, my daughter only made less than $3500 in her job so she is not filing a return.
Thank you so much for your help. Your responses have been great.
Well, TurboTax is taxing my distribution for Catholic School under the max limit of $10000.00 when I'm listed as the recipient, but no tax when she is listed as the recipient. The relevance is the beneficiary not the recipient. Therefore, I do see as something that needs to be fixed. This is the 2021 addition. However, since I need to enter the info exactly as listed on the 10-99q, I'm in a quandary.
@Rcgus Just don't enter the 1099-Q.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
That said, there's nothing that needs to be fixed in TurboTax. The only relevance to the beneficiary not being the recipient is the flow of the interview. When you get to the 1099-Q summary screen, click Done (don't jump to another section). Clicking Done gets you another screen that asks "What level of school did the student attend" When you answer high school or elementary, it will give you a screen to enter expenses rather than waiting for the college expense section later.
I'll go with the first part of your answer, "You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, to cover the distribution". Thank you.
Turbo Tax simply askes, "did you receive a 10-99Q?". Following the answers exactly, it adds $472 to my tax obligation. Perhaps it could ask one more question, "was the distribution for a qualified tax-exempt purpose". I have no idea what you mean when you say, "The only relevance to the beneficiary not being the recipient is the flow of the interview. When you get to the 1099-Q summary screen, click Done (don't jump to another section). Clicking Done gets you another screen that asks "What level of school did the student attend" When you answer high school or elementary, it will give you a screen to enter expenses rather than waiting for the college expense section later." I don't see that option at all in 2021. She is not in college. There are no college expenses. This is an allowed distribution for parochial school tuition. The college questions and expenses are irrelevant. There is no 1098T and the interview doesn't erase the additional tax. Thank you
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