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Link876
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Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit? I want to make part of our 529 withdrawal taxable so I get the American Opportunity Credit. Turbo Tax is giving me the AOC when I enter that a portion of her scholarships covered room and board, but the 1099Q worksheet is still showing the Total Qualified Educational Expense for this withdrawal is an amount equal to 100% of our withdrawal.

Don't I need to make a portion of that taxable so I don't double-dip with AOC?

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Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

New question - the 1099Q shows the basis and the earnings of the distribution. I wonder if the amount I want to count as non-qualified (to count toward American Opportunity Credit) is less than the basis (that is, the amount I contributed after-tax) then that is why I am not seeing that portion as taxable, that may be why it still shows my whole 529 withdrawal as tax-free.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

Q. Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

A.  Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary".  Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Education Information”. When you get to the screen titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”, verify the amount you want to use or change it.  You may reach that screen sooner, in the interview.

 

Q. Don't I need to make a portion of that taxable so I don't double-dip with AOC?

A. Yes, if you don't have sufficient expenses to cover both. Room & board are qualified expenses for the 529 distribution, but not the credit.  Also enter books and computers as expenses.

 

Q. I wonder if the amount I want to count as non-qualified (to count toward American Opportunity Credit) is less than the basis, then that is why I am not seeing that portion as taxable? 

A. No,  basis does not enter into the calculation (see below).

 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.

Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

Thank you.  I get to a screen that says "We'll make this entry zero that's no longer needed.  Earlier you told us to treat $x as a taxable education distribution (I entered this on line 17 of the Student Worksheet in the forms section, the amount of the 529 withdrawal that I used to pay tuition, less than $4000 ) in order to claim a larger education tax credit or deduction.  However, it's no longer beneficial for any amount to be treated as a taxable distribution and used for an education credit or deduction, so we'll just make this entry zero."

Why is this?  Why does the Student Info worksheet still show the entire 529 withdrawal amount as qualified for purpose of regular tax and qualified for purpose of 10% withdrawal?  

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

$4000 is the amount to be entered on line 17 of the Student info wks, assuming you qualify for the AOTC.

 

You may want to delete and start over.

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1098-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

  • Are you the student or parent.  PARENT
  • Is the student  the parent's dependent.  YES
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T    $9261
  • box 5 of the 1098-T     $9050
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5   $1000
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)  NO
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition  NO
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q  $7703.30
  • Box 2 of the 1098-Q  $4175.34
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?  PARENT
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge  $7890
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers  $518

    Amount we paid for tuition from 529:   $2171 (not the full $4000 for AOTC)
    Amount of scholarships taxable (for room & board): $2619

    Thank you for any assistance.
Hal_Al
Level 15

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

You do not mention if the student has other income of his/her own.  Assuming not, he can report up to $12,400 of his scholarship as taxable and not pay any tax.  That is a better way to go, than to declare some of the 529 plan as taxable.

 

I don't know how you got  "tuition paid  from 529:  $2171" and "taxable scholarship $2619", but don't use those numbers.

Here's your numbers:

  9261  Tuition

 + 518  Books

= 9779  Qualified expenses for tuition credit & scholarships

-   4000  Used for AOTC

=5779  Allocated to Scholarship 

-10,050

= $ 4271 Taxable scholarship to be reported on student's return

 

Since room and Board ($7890) is more than the 529 distribution ($7703), none of the distribution is taxable. It does not have to be reported. Do not even enter the 1099-Q in TT. Delete it, if you already entered it.

 

How to enter in TurboTax (TT): On your return Enter the 1098-T with $4000 in box 1 and box 5 blank. Enter no other numbers in TT. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS.  The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. 

 

Since the student has less than $12,400 of income, he does not need to file.  Some experts advise that he file anyway to document what you've done.  In TT: enter 4000 in box 1 and $8271 (4000 + 4271) in box 5.  In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. TT will enter $4271 on line 1 of form 1040 with the notation SCH4271.

  

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s  return.  The alternate workaround is  to enter 0 in box 1 and $4271  in box 5.

 

Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

I only paid $2171 of the tuition - the rest was covered by scholarships, so I can't claim the full $4000.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

"So,  I can't claim the full $4000"

 

Yes, you can.  Since your student is declaring that much of his scholarship as taxable income, the tuition is no longer being paid by "tax free scholarship".  It's being paid by his taxable income.

 

This is a well known (and frequently used) tax “loop hole”. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents  (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship.  You cannot do this if the conditions of the grant restrict it to paying tuition.

 

This is not some sinister scheme. From the 2019 form 1040 instructions (pg 95): “You may be able to increase an education credit if the student chooses to include all or part of a Pell grant or certain other scholarships or fellowships in income. For more information, see Pub. 970, the instructions for Form 1040, line 18c, and IRS.gov/EdCredit.  Page 16 of PUB 970 (2019) actually has examples of how to do the “loop hole”.

Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

Okay, that is VERY helpful!  I am going to go digest this and tackle in it a bit - I REALLY appreciate your help and quick replies today!

 

Link876
Returning Member

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

If I go back and amend 2019 taxes to apply the AOTC. and that brings my student's income from $316 earned income (so we did not file a return for her) to $316 earned plus $3000 unearned (scholarships applied to room and board) would I need to file a tax return for her for 2019 now?


Secondly, does it matter if the school credited the scholarships to her bill prior to my contribution?  Tuition added to bill, room and board added to bill, scholarships credited to bill, then my contribution credited to bill.  Do we still qualify for the AOTC?

Hal_Al
Level 15

Where in Turbo Tax do I enter Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit?

Q. If I  amend 2019 taxes to apply the AOTC., would I need to file a 2019 tax return for her for 2019 since he income increased from $316 to $3316?

A. No. She is still under the $12,200 income filing threshold.

 

Q. Secondly, does it matter if the school credited the scholarships to her bill prior to my contribution? 

A. No, that doesn't prove that the scholarship was restricted.

 

Q.  Do we still qualify for the AOTC?

A.  Yes

 

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