Hi, all. I have a question about how to enter information into TurboTax properly for the following situation:
- I am using a 529 plan to pay for my nephew's law school
- My nephew's tuition in 2020 was 17,282
- My nephew received a scholarship in 2020 of 13,500
- I used the 529 plan in 2020 to pay tuition directly to the university (minus the scholarship amount)
- I also withdrew from the 529 plan (recipient = me) in 2020 to cover other qualified expenses (books, room & board, etc.)
- I also withdrew from the 529 plan (recipient = me) in 2020 the amount of the scholarship (13,500) so I could use that to help pay for other (non-qualified) expenses for my nephew.
This means there are two 1099-Qs. One with recipient = nephew, but that was just for the amount sent directly to the university to cover tuition minus scholarship. The other is recipient = me, containing the scholarship amount and other non-tuition qualified expenses.
My understanding is that I need to pay taxes on the earnings portion of the 13,500, but not the 10% penalty. Otherwise, none of the rest of the distributions are taxed.
My problem: How do I enter this? I think I'm in a catch-22 (catch-529?!):
1) I cannot (should not?) enter the 1099-Q with recipient = nephew, as TurboTax says it's unnecessary, and removes it for me when I try
2) On the page "Non-dependent student expenses", I dutifully broke out all expenses, including tuition, even though those distributions were reported on the 1099-Q that TurboTax didn't want to know about; I listed the $13,500 scholarship under "Tax-Free Assistance".
So I'm in a situation where TurboTax is made aware of the FULL expenses via the "Non-dependent student expenses" page, but is unaware that I did withdraw from the 529 plan an amount to cover tuition (minus scholarship). Therefore, on the ESA/QTP Wks, TurboTax started with the 1099-Q I did report (for the qualified non-tuition expenses + scholarship withdrawal), and deducted the full expenses from that (including the tuition expenses), arriving at Part III, Line 4 (excess distributions) = $9677, which is too small (should be $13,500, right?)
So when TurboTax calculates my tax liability, it thinks I only need to pay taxes on the earnings portion of $9677, instead of on the earnings portion of $13,500. At least, I think that's what's happening. If I could get TurboTax's ESA/QTP Wks to start with the distributions from both 1099-Qs, I believe the numbers would work out properly. But I'm concerned about overriding form values, as that might disqualify my return from being electronically fileable.
What's the best way to get TurboTax to calculate the correct number AND still be able to file electronically?
Thanks for any help you can provide!
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On your return, enter the 1099-Q, exactly as received. Follow the interview. You will have to enter the student’s name. All the numbers will be entered at the 1099-Q section (not the education expenses section) because the beneficiary is not your dependent.
When you get to the boxes, enter $13,500 for tuition*
Enter amount for room & board
Enter amount for books etc.
Enter $13,500 at Tax Free assistance*
This assumes 13,500 + room & board + books = Box 1 of the 1098-T
You need to coordinate with the student and/or his parent, if he is a dependent, in filing your taxes. In particular, it may be better for the student to declare some of his scholarship as taxable rather than you paying tax on some of your 1099-Q earnings. If he has no other income, the first $12,400 of taxable scholarship is covered by his standard deduction.
*The purpose of entering the tuition, then off setting it with scholarship ("tax free assistance") is so TurboTax (TT) will know to not calculate the 10% penalty, if some your distribution ends up being taxable. There is a penalty exception for when expenses that coulda been use for a 529 distribution were used instead for the tuition credit and/or were covered by scholarship. TT will prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent, but can be an Uncle/Aunt), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim Tuition credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
On your return, enter the 1099-Q, exactly as received. Follow the interview. You will have to enter the student’s name. All the numbers will be entered at the 1099-Q section (not the education expenses section) because the beneficiary is not your dependent.
When you get to the boxes, enter $13,500 for tuition*
Enter amount for room & board
Enter amount for books etc.
Enter $13,500 at Tax Free assistance*
This assumes 13,500 + room & board + books = Box 1 of the 1098-T
You need to coordinate with the student and/or his parent, if he is a dependent, in filing your taxes. In particular, it may be better for the student to declare some of his scholarship as taxable rather than you paying tax on some of your 1099-Q earnings. If he has no other income, the first $12,400 of taxable scholarship is covered by his standard deduction.
*The purpose of entering the tuition, then off setting it with scholarship ("tax free assistance") is so TurboTax (TT) will know to not calculate the 10% penalty, if some your distribution ends up being taxable. There is a penalty exception for when expenses that coulda been use for a 529 distribution were used instead for the tuition credit and/or were covered by scholarship. TT will prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.
________________________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent, but can be an Uncle/Aunt), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim Tuition credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
Thank you, @Hal_Al! I tried out your clever trick, and it looks to work great. If I understand correctly, your idea is to set the tuition amount to be just enough to be offset by the scholarship, so the scholarship doesn't accidentally offset anything else.
I also appreciate your advice on considering having my nephew include some of the income on his return.
Haven't looked at this year's 1098-T yet, but I am pretty sure its Box 1 won't be exactly 13,500 + room & board + books since 1) Tuition was more than just the scholarship, so the university received additional funds from my 529 to cover it, and 2) room & board & books were not charged to the university account but were purchased separately. I do understand that I have a limit on how much I can use the 529 plan to pay for room & board, based on the university's estimated cost of attendance.
Please let me know if it looks like I'm misunderstanding anything. In any case, thank you again!
The purpose of entering the tuition, then off setting it with scholarship ("tax free assistance") is so TurboTax (TT) will know to not calculate the 10% penalty, if some your distribution ends up taxable. There is a penalty exception for when expenses that coulda been use for a 529 distribution were used instead for the tuition credit and/or were covered by scholarship. TT has to prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.
That's a good question. I'll add that explanation above.
Makes sense. TT did indeed add a 5329 to my return.
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