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hockchailim
Returning Member

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

On my daughter's 1099-Q, Box1 has an amount of $9786.00, Box 2 has an amount of 3180.96, and Box 3 has an amount of 6605.04. 

If I entered the 1099-Q as stated, TurboxTax shows her total income as below

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But if I edit the 1099-Q, and change the Box2 amount to 0 (leaving everything else unchanged), her income become below (Other income becomes 0):

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I don't understand why the Box 2 amount increases her income by $3,016.  My understanding is that Box 2 + Box3 = Box 1.  So, Box 2 is already part of Box 1.  Why would Turbo Tax, add it to Box 1?

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Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

Box 1 (of a 1099-Q) is the total distribution (the amount taken out of the account).  Box 2 is the share of the distribution that the account has earned while invested in the account. Box 3 is the share that you originally put in the account. So, you already paid tax on the box 3 amount, way back before you put the money in (contributed to) the account. The box 3 amount is never taxed.  The box 2 amount is potentially taxable, if you didn't use the distribution for qualified educational expenses (QEE). 

 

Apparently, TurboTax (TT) has calculated that most (but not all) of the distribution was not used for QEE. It has calculated that $3016 of the $3181 earnings is taxable. See example below. 

 

The $9786 shown as Scholarships, Grants and other, did not come from the 1099-Q. It came from somewhere else or you erroneously entering the 1099-Q as something else, TT does not pick up box 1 of the 1099-Q as taxable. 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

hockchailim
Returning Member

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

My Daughter received $9,786.00 worth of scholarship, which is the same amount as Box 1 (gross distribution).  Due to this scholarship, I believe she will need to paid tax on the earning, which is box 2, which I am fine with it.  I just don't understand why Turbo Tax is including Box 1 as part of her earning.  How can I correct that?

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

Q.   I just don't understand why Turbo Tax is including Box 1 as part of her earning. 

A. TT is not including box 1 of the 1099-Q, as income. That's not probable. More likely, TT is including the scholarship from box 5 of the 1098-T, as taxable income.

 

Q.  How can I correct that?

A. I pays to have an idea of what the outcome will be, so that you can control the inputs. 

 

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise. TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, but it doesn't do a very good job.  It's best if you have some idea of the outcome expected, when you make your entries. 

 

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?
hockchailim
Returning Member

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
    • Parent.  But my daughter (the Student) and I are filing tax return separately.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
    • Yes
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
    • $10,508.00
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
    • $9,786.00
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
    • No
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
    • No
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
    • No
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
    • There are two 1099-Q. One for me (Owner) and one for my daughter (beneficiary).  Mine (the owner) has the amount of $3,902.92.  Hers (beneficiary) is $9,786.00.
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
    • Mine is $1,280.97.  Hers is $3,180.96
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
    • There are two 1099-Q.  One for her and one for me.
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
    • Campus R&B amount is $5,304.00
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
    • Yes, $3,902.92.
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
    • $750 from 1099-DIV and 1099-INT.  The 1099-Q is where she is having problem with. If she put the 1099-Q info into Turbox Tax, it adds an extra $9,786.00+$3,016 to her income.  This is where we are a bit uncertain about.  The total 529 distributed amount to her is $9,786.00.  Why would her income be increased by $12,802.00?  Is it because of her receiving $9,786.00 worth of scholarship? Another word, this amount is not from 1099-Q, is actually from Box 5 of 1098-T?
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
    • Yes, but TurboTax says that I am not eligible. We are actually more concern about my daughter's tax return, not mine.  She has to pay $700+ worth of tax (because of the 1099-Q?).
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
    • Attending college for Undergrad degree
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?
    • Yes.
Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q why TurboTax is adding the Box 2 (Earnings) to Box1 (Gross Distribution) as income

Bottom line:

1. You do not need to report either 1099-Q on your tax return or your daughter's.

2. You can claim the full American Opportunity Credit (AOTC) (up to $2500 depending on your tax liability)

3. Your daughter will report some (most) of her scholarship as taxable income.  But, she will owe no tax on the scholarship  because taxable scholarship is treated as earned income for calculating a dependent's standard deduction (earned income + $400).  There will be about $35 tax on the interest & dividends. 

 

The details:

$10,508 Tuition + $5304 R&B + $3903 Books etc = $19,715 QEE (qualified educational expenses)

$19,715 QEE - $4000 for the AOTC = $15,715 Adjusted QEE (AQEE)

$3903 + $9786 = $13,689 Total 529 Distributions

Since $13,689 is less than $15,715, neither of the 1099-Qs are taxable.

$15,715 AQEE - $13,689 used for the 1099-Qs = $2026 AQEE remaining for allocation to the scholarship 

$9786 - $2026 = $7760 Scholarship will be reported as income, because there is no more QEE to allocate to  it 

$7760 + $750 int & div = $8510 Total reportable income

$7760 "earned income" + $400 = $8160 Dependent's standard deduction

$8510 - $8160 = $350 taxable income  x 10% = $35 total tax

 

Reporting this in TurboTax (TT) is real easy, if you use a workaround.

On your return, you enter the 1098-T at Educational Expenses and Scholarships. But you enter it with $4000 in box 1 and enter no other numbers. That gets you the AOTC. $4000 is the amount needed to get the maximum AOTC. 

On her return, you enter the 1098-T at Educational Expenses and Scholarships. But you enter it with $7760 in box 5 and enter no other numbers.  The $7760 will show up on line 8r of Schedule 1. 

 

The 1098-T and 1099-Q are only an informational documents. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. However receipt of a 1098-T frequently means you are either eligible for a tuition credit or possibly your student has taxable scholarship income. 

If you claim the tuition credit, you do need to report that you got one.

You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T.  You just change the numbers in boxes 1& 5 to what your records show. The 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.

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