I have a 529 account that I use to pay for my granddaughter's tuition. She is the beneficiary of the account, but she is not my dependant. I received a 1098-T with my granddaughter's name on it . It says it's a tuition statement, Copy B for student.
Is this an expense or deduction, and who should report it (me or granddaughter). It came to me, would she have gotten one also?
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Q. My understanding was that the 1098-Q is tax free since it only includes the tuition paid to the school, which I fully recovered from the 529 account?
A. Yes, the 1098-Q is tax free, but not because it "includes the tuition paid to the school". It is tax free because the student had sufficient educational expenses, of any kind, including food & shelter (room & board). "I believe all students are off site". Off site student's living expenses are still qualified room & board.
Q. If I claim the 1098-Q*, can she claim the 1098-T?
A. Yes, she can and should.
Q. What would she need to justify that.
A. Mostly just the 1098-T. She enters that on her tax return, to claim the tuition credit. The TT interview will allow her to add any book, etc. expenses.
Q. Does she need to itemize books, computer, etc. ?
A. Not at tax filing time. She would only need that if audited. The books, computer, etc are only a small part of the tuition credit. The bulk comes from the 1098-T.
*You "claim" the 1099-Q by NOT entering it on your tax return. Repeating from above: "On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
You have now determined that your distribution is not taxable. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.
Q.Is this (form 1098-T) an expense or deduction, and who should report it (me or granddaughter)? It came to me, would she have gotten one also?
A. The 1098-T, from the school, was not sent to you. It may have come to your address, but it was sent to the student. It's always sent to the student. The 1099-Q from the 529 plan is another story. It is sent to the recipient (see below the line for a full explanation).
If she is the recipient (her name and SS# are on the 1099-Q), she reports the 1099-Q on her tax return, if it even needs to be reported. In most cases, it does not.*
The 1098-T goes on either the parent's return or the student's depending on whether she is their dependent. The family needs to decide how to allocate educational expenses for the best tax benefit. See below.
*You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
References:
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
The parent can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you (the parent) can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Thank you for your reply. I just want to confirm my understanding from your post.
I paid for the tuition directly to the school and then transferred that amount back to myself from the 529 account. So I got the 1098-Q, which is no problem. The 1098-T was sent to me, with my granddaughters information on it (she is not my dependent), so I understand now this is for her. The amount on the 1098-T is just slightly less than the 1098-Q amount. Does my granddaugter report this on her taxes, and if so, is it a deduction or income?
Thanks,
Holly
Q. Does my grand daughter report this on her taxes?
A No. But you may need to report it on your taxes, as income because "The amount on the 1098-T is just slightly less than the 1098-Q amount".
But, probably not. We need a lot more info to decide that. In most cases, you can just ignore a 1099-Q, but that may mean the parent's may give up a generous tuition credit or erroneously claim too much credit. There has to be some coordination between you.
Q. Does my grand daughter report the 1098-T on her taxes, and if so, is it a deduction or income?
A. It's a tax credit, not a deduction. But whether she gets to claim it depends on whether she is a dependent or not and how much of the 1098-T is needed to cover the 1099-Q (on your taxes).
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Thanks again for your help. It is really appreciated.
The 1099-Q is greater than the 1098-T by a small amount $2993.12 - $2721.12 = $272 difference. If the student has books, supplies, and other expenses, like room and board of $272, then you do not need to report the 1099-Q. Most colleges have a guideline for off-campus living and I imagine the $272 would be consumed by that. You can look online at the school's list of expected costs to attend.
You want to find expenses to go against the 1099-Q which gives taxable income without qualified expenses. If you can't find room and board, maybe internet is required for some classes, books, etc to equal $272 then I will be surprised and you will have to enter the 1099-Q and subtract out the expenses you were able to find.
The program will do the work for you to determine the taxable income, if any. How do you calculate the taxable portion of a 529 distribution?
To calculate the taxable portion of the 529 plan distribution:
See:
Reporting 529 Plan Withdrawals on Your Federal Tax Return saving for college
Guide to IRS Form 1099-Q: Payments from Qualified Plans.
Bottom line: There are plenty of expenses to cover the 1099-Q. Just don't enter the 1099-Q, at all.
"Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents. She is married with children an lives at her home. School is part time, so I don't imagine there is an allowance."
Yes, there is an allowance, because she is half time, and it's almost certain to be more than $2993. Room and board are the expenses that you are technically allocating to the 1099-Q, for it to be tax free.
Are the parents trying to claim the tuition credit (are they eligible, income under $180K filing jointly, $90K single)? Parents are not a factor.
Then she and her husband are eligible for the very generous tuition credit ($2193 to $2500), if their income is under $180,000. As mentioned early, you need to communicate with her. She may be assuming you are claiming the 1098-T, to make the 1099-Q tax free. That's not the case, she can claim the credit, based on the 1098-T plus any books and other course materials, including a required computer.
My understanding was that the 1098-Q is tax free since it only includes the tuition paid to the school, which I fully recovered from the 529 account. So I am claiming the 1098-Q.
I don't know where the information for the 1098-T came from. If I claim the 1098-Q, can she claim the 1098-T and what would she need to justify that. Does she need to itemize books, computer, etc. Their income is certainly under $180,000, but the school is more of a Tech associate school, so I believe all students are off site.
Q. My understanding was that the 1098-Q is tax free since it only includes the tuition paid to the school, which I fully recovered from the 529 account?
A. Yes, the 1098-Q is tax free, but not because it "includes the tuition paid to the school". It is tax free because the student had sufficient educational expenses, of any kind, including food & shelter (room & board). "I believe all students are off site". Off site student's living expenses are still qualified room & board.
Q. If I claim the 1098-Q*, can she claim the 1098-T?
A. Yes, she can and should.
Q. What would she need to justify that.
A. Mostly just the 1098-T. She enters that on her tax return, to claim the tuition credit. The TT interview will allow her to add any book, etc. expenses.
Q. Does she need to itemize books, computer, etc. ?
A. Not at tax filing time. She would only need that if audited. The books, computer, etc are only a small part of the tuition credit. The bulk comes from the 1098-T.
*You "claim" the 1099-Q by NOT entering it on your tax return. Repeating from above: "On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
You have now determined that your distribution is not taxable. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.
Thank you! That is a clear answer!!
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