I have been reading some posts relevant to my question, but I'm still confused. I'd greatly appreciate your help on this. Let me describe my situation:
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Other than the fact, that you didn't pay any tuition or educational expenses, are you otherwise eligible for the tuition credit? That is, is you income under $90K ($180K married filing jointly)? Is it under $80K ($160K MFJ). There is a credit phase out between $80-90K (160-180 MFJ).
Thanks for the quick answer! My status is married filing jointly, and the total income is below $180K. As for the expense, the scholarship covered the tuition and provided excess money for housing so I didn't pay any out of my own pocket.
Since you are eligible, have you claimed the American Opportunity credit (AOC) in previous years (some of it will be on line 29 of form 1040)? If so, how many times (there is a 4 time limit)? Senior year is often the 5th calendar/tax year.
When I used TT, it said that I wasn't eligible for AOC, so I never claimed. Now I begin to wonder why. Also, the expenses that we incurred were not qualified expenses -- research trips, housing, etc.
Q. Who should report 1099-Q (not 1099-T)? It's sent to me, but the beneficiary is my daughter.
A. Do not enter the 1099-Q, from the 529 plan distribution, at all. Not on your return, not on the student's. It is fully covered by room & board. It does not matter that room board were actually paid by scholarship, because it was not paid by TAX FREE scholarship. Technically, you are the "recipient" of the 529 distribution. If it needed to be reported (and it doesn't) it would go on your return.
Q. Do I even claim her as my dependent when the scholarship and her income covered her housing and other living expenses?
A. Yes. Support by scholarship is excluded for the dependent support calculation.
Q. Since I didn't pay any money for her college, do I even need to enter 1098-T on my return?
A. No. The 1098-T (like the 1099-Q) is only an informational document. There is no requirement for it to be reported. That said, see "loop hole" below. You are going to (most likely) want to report it, on both your return and hers. She needs to report it on her return, with adjustments, to enter the scholarship income.
The $2200 distribution was not income , on her return (nor yours). Her income last year was $27,000+$20,000 = $47,000. The $27,000 can be reduced by any book, computer and software expenses. We are going to increase her income by $4000, so you can claim the $2500 tuition credit. It takes $4000 of tuition to get the maximum AOC credit. If you didn’t claim it. In previous years, you should look at filing amended tax returns. The deadline for filing an amended 2021 return is 4-15-25.
Q. I read from some posts that I may be able to "split" the scholarship excess. Is it true? If yes, would this work? Is this a correct way to split it?
A. It’s somewhat true, but that’s not the correct way. On your return, you enter $4000 in box 1 and 0 in box 5. On her return, she enters 0 in box 1 and $31,000 in box 5.
Q. Is it legal to do this?
A. Yes.
Q. Will this help lower the tax that we owe?
A. Yes Your tax will be lowered by $2500 and she will pay $480 -$1000 more on her return, depending on your tax bracket (the kiddie tax will apply).
There is a tax “loop hole” available to claim an education credit, for the parents of students on scholarship. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship. You cannot do this if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.
Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.
Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket. She would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.
The IRS actually encourages use of this technique. From the form 1040 instructions: “You may be able to increase an education credit if the student chooses to include all or part of a Pell grant or certain other scholarships or fellowships in income. For more information, see Pub. 970, the instructions for Form 1040 and IRS.gov/EdCredit". PUB 970 even has examples of how to do the “loop hole”.
I just edited the above, including adding the last 2 paragraphs.
Thank you VERY much for the detailed explanation. Please allow me ask just a few more questions to clarify:
1. Would you please explain what you mean by "increase her income by $4,000?" -- how you get this number and how I do this on TT (i.e. how do I add this income in what category)
2. So reporting a number different from the original 1098-T is acceptable? (Box 5 in the original 1098-T is $46,000 and Box 1, $19,000). If I understood correctly, my daughter and I will enter different numbers on our returns (e.g. $0 for Box 1 for my daughter). I'm quite surprised that this could be done legally 🙂
3. Just to confirm -- $2,200 from 529 was too small to report (easily cover the housing cost), so I don't need to report it on my return, right?
4. I may not have all the receipts for her books and lab equipment. Is it ok to estimate?
Q. Would you please explain what you mean by "increase her income by $4,000?" -- how you get this number?
A. You, the parent, need $4000 of tuition (or other qualified expenses) to claim the max. AOC. Right now all $19,000 of her tuition is allocated to tax free scholarship. So, if we allocate $4000 of $19,000 tuition to the AOC. But that means there's only $15,000 of tuition for tax free scholarship. So, $4000 more scholarship becomes taxable.
Q. how I do this on TT?
A. Theoretically, TT can do all that. But it' s too easy to make mistakes. So, you manually calculate your entries. For you, it's enter a 1098-T with $4000 in box 1 and 0 in box 5. For her, 0 in box 1 and $31K on box 5 (27K that was already taxable + the additional 4000).
Q. So reporting a number different from the original 1098-T is acceptable?
A. Yes, what you enter is only used on the worksheets. The entered "bogus" 1098-T is not sent to the IRS.
Q. I'm quite surprised that this could be done legally?
A. Me too, the first time I heard it, 15+ years ago, in this forum. Now, it's written up in the IRS publications.
Q. Just to confirm -- $2,200 from 529 was too small to report (easily cover the housing cost), so I don't need to report it on my return, right?
A. Right? Again, theoretically TT will come to that conclusion (if you do enter it) and enter nothing on the actual tax forms. But this forum id full of frustrated users who could not get that to happen. Just don't enter it.*
Q. I may not have all the receipts for her books and lab equipment. Is it ok to estimate?
A. Yes, unless you get audited (unlikely).
*The 1099-Q is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your (or your student's) tax return. The interview is complicated and it's easy to make mistakes. Avoid it if you can and you can.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.
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Can you use this same example if box 5 is around $800 less than box 1 or only if box 5 is greater than box 1?
Also, in your example why would you not put down anything for box 1 on the student's tax return?
Q. Can you use this same example if box 5 is around $800 less than box 1?
A. Yes.
Q. or only if box 5 is greater than box 1?
A. No.
Example Box 1 is $5000. Box 5 is $4200. Parents can only use $800 for the AOC. But if the student declares $3200 scholarship as taxable, parents can use $4000 for the AOC.
Q. In your example would you not put down anything for box 1 on the student's tax return?
A. Yes, put nothing in box 1. Put $3200 in box 5.
Q. WHY would you not put down anything for box 1 on the student's tax return?
A. Because if there is something in box 1, TurboTax will try to factor it into the calculations. You have already done the calculation. You calculated that $3200 is taxable. Entering that one amount, in box 5, gets it to the right place on the tax forms (line 8r on schedule 1).
Thank you very much!
1. Is this correct?
Box 1 is currently 11862 box 5 is 11060
So for the parent, I would put down $4000 in box 1 and $0 in box 5?
For the student, would I put down $0 in box 1 and $3200 in box 5 or would I add $3200 to the dollar amount in box 5 of their 1098-T form that they received from their college (in essence, a lot more than $3200?) or should I put down different amounts for each box?
2. What would I put down on box 1 and box 5 of my tax return and what would I put down for box 1 and box 5 of the tax return for my other child for the 1098-T, if their box 1 was $17348 (I adjusted to the correct amount-incorrect from the college) and their box 5 was $20960
3. This exact situation (indicated in #1 above) applied to two children last year and I just put down exactly what was on their 1098-T form, so I only used $800 for each child for my AOC and did not put the 1098-T on their tax returns, only mine. Should I file amended returns for last year for the 3 of us? Is it worth it? Is it safe to do or would you advise not doing that?
1. Yes as long as any restricted scholarships are accounted for in the remaining tuition. You may not have any restrictions. Sometimes a scholarship will say it must be used for tuition.
2. Then 1098-T is entered for each child:
3. Absolutely amend. The IRS has a great brochure that explains how scholarships and tax credits interact. You can only claim the AOTC for 4 years.
Thank you.
Would I have to amend each of my children's tax returns for 2023 or can I just amend mine?
You would definitely amend yours. For each child, determine how much income is added to their return. Will it make a tax liability over $25? If yes, amend. If no, don't bother. The IRS would rather now waste their time on smaller amounts.
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