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Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter not qualified for the American Opportunity tax credit??

Q. So I am not required to enter any of the 1099Q information? 

A. Correct.  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution

 

Q. Doesn't the IRS get a copy and won't they be upset if it's not entered? 

A. Yes. At least two users have reported receiving a CP2000 letter, from the IRS,  on 529 distributions. They replied that their child was in college and the distributions were for qualified expenses, which they listed, but they did not provide receipts.. A third reported that he just sent a copy of the school's bills. They  later received a notices saying they were in the clear.

 

Q.  So again I ask, do I understand you correctly that I don't have to enter the 1099Q information if it's all eligible expenses?

A. Yes. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You cannot double dip!  Most people are better off using the expenses for the credit first, even if they have to pay a little tax on the 529 distribution.  See full explanation below.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter not qualified for the American Opportunity tax credit??

@Rick56 said: "Because Turbo Tax told me she didn't" qualify for the tuition credit.

 

If you disagree with that conclusion; then it's a matter of going thru the interview again to find the error and then (almost certainly) using a work around to re-enter it.

 

As you can see from the write up above, it's complicated. But it's better to declare  some of the scholarship and/or 529 distribution taxable, so that you can allocate expenses to the American Opportunity Credit. 

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • If, student, are you the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1098-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If you live off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the meal plan allowance.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers

 

Yes, I know you provided most of that already. But we need it in one place

Daughter not qualified for the American Opportunity tax credit??

@Hal_Al  Great Explanation.  I am going to delete all the college info and start over.   Thanks again.

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