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529 earnings are being taxed by Turbo Tax--We withdrew less than we paid for tuition. TT is showing only gain of $702 on the amount withdrawn as taxable. How to and why is TT complicating something so simple?
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The simple solution is just delete the 1099-Q.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
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Q. How to and why is TT complicating something so simple?
A. There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):
TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise. TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, but it doesn't do a very good job, if you want something different. It's best if you have some idea of the outcome expected, when you make your entries.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Thank you! I ended up paying for expert help after spending hours trying to figure it out. I told her that I read about deleting the 1099Q and she suggested that I not do that. But I did it anyway (and then added it back) and it appears it does not impact your taxes even though it appears under Misc. Income. I hope this helps someone else since it is not very logical the way TT presents it. She was confused by all of this, too, and did not know of the problem or what to do with it until I showed her that it was not showing as taxable after I deleted it.
Q. it appears under Misc. Income.?
A. If TT determines that any of it is taxable, the taxable amount will appear on line 8z of Schedule 1, and identified as "Qualified Tuition plan from1099-Q".
Q. it appears it does not impact your taxes ?
A. If there's an amount on line 8z, the only way it does not impact your taxes is if line 16 of your 1040 (calculated tax) is already 0.
Q. I ended up paying for expert help; she suggested that I not delete the 1099-Q?
A. Not reporting stuff to the IRS is usually not a good idea. But there are exceptions to that rule. This is one. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. Nothing is sent to the IRS. Every expert, in this forum, including TT employees recommends deleting the 1099-Q, if you know none of it is taxable.
Are you claiming the American Opportunity Credit (AOC)? If you are, and/or if the student has scholarships, then some of the 529 earnings may be taxable. And that may be what you're seeing. If you are not claiming the AOC, why not?
One more follow-up to help others. As it turns out, I was not speaking to a true tax expert even though I upgraded with TT. When I spoke to a true expert, she agreed that I should not include the 1099 Q on TT as long as the amount withdrawn is less than the amount paid. I hope this helps others.
You'd think TT would ask some Qs to treat this properly, or point the customer to better guidance. I'd call the current state of the tool a bug.
I think this is a problem with the software as well. I did not have this problem prior years using the personal version of TurboTax, but did using the 2023 business version. There should be a question that asks if these are used for qualified expenses. Unfortunately I submitted before researching this and now will need to amend.
I had this issue in 2023 and 2024. The software is picky in how it calculates and the order you enter things. It seems to happen if I enter education expenses before adding 1099-Q and then I am being taxed even though expenses are greater than my disbursement. I deleted all my education entries and entered them again and it fixed the calculation.
If you're going to let TurboTax calculate the taxable portion of a 529 distribution, you do need to enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T and the other educational expenses.
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