We have a farm and are looking to donate hay instead of selling it. Can we deduct that on our farm taxes? If so, is their a maximum we can donated and deduct? Also, what price do we use for the donation?
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Are you donating the hay to a recognized charitable organization?
Yes, we are.
If you donate property other than cash to a qualified organization, you may generally deduct the fair market value of the property. However, see Limitations on Deductions in this IRS reference:
Do these deductions get deducted from my Sch F or as an itemized deductions on Sch A. I believe we could use the FMV of the hay.
Schedule A, as an itemized deduction.
@Looney1966 wrote:
Do these deductions get deducted from my Sch F or as an itemized deductions on Sch A. I believe we could use the FMV of the hay.
In most cases, you can't take a deduction. Review IRS publication 526, especially the section on ordinary income property.
Essentially, if you have property that could have been sold for a profit, the value of the donation is not the FMV, but your cost basis. For example, suppose you are a painter, and you buy a $10 canvas and $10 of paint, but you could sell the finished painting for $500. If you donate the painting, your deduction value is limited to your cost basis, or $20. You can never take a deduction for the value of your personal time and effort. Another way to explain it is that you can't take a deduction from your income for something that was never included in your income in the first place. (As an alternative, you could report the "sale" of the painting as business revenue, and then deduct the FMV, but the net result is the same. You have $500 of revenue and $520 of expenses, or you have zero revenue and $20 of expenses.)
I don't think the farm calculation will be much different. If you grow hay for sale, you are already deducting the cost of equipment, fuel, storage, etc. as a farm expense, so the cost basis of the hay is zero. If you give some of it away, even to a qualified charity, you can't deduct the FMV because the FMV was never included in your taxable income in the first place. Your "tax deduction" is the fact that you sell less hay, so you report less income, so you pay less tax. You can't take a separate deduction on top of already paying less tax, because you can't deduct money from your income if it was never included in your income to begin with.
If your only farming activity is producing hay for donation, and you don't file a schedule F, and you don't deduct your expenses in producing the hay by some other method, then you could deduct your expenses as an expense to provide service to a charity, but still not the full FMV.
This makes no sense? How is one able to deduct donated clothing to Goodwill if the clothing was also never part of your income?
@bmmr2nv wrote:
This makes no sense? How is one able to deduct donated clothing to Goodwill if the clothing was also never part of your income?
You can deduct something in which you have basis. Basis is, roughly speaking, the amount of after-tax money you invested or paid to acquire the item. If you buy clothing, you are using after-tax dollars, and your basis is what you paid. (If you receive clothing as a gift, your basis is what the giver paid.) If you donate clothing, you can deduct either the fair market value of used clothing, or your basis, whichever is less, because you paid after-tax dollars to acquire it.
On the other hand, if you make clothing to donate, you can only deduct the value of the materials that you paid for with your after-tax dollars. You can't deduct the value that was added by your labor, because you have no basis in your own labor.
This is all described in publication 526.
Thank you Opus 17. Also you seem very knowledgeable. We live on several acres and our friends live around the block which also live on the same amount of acres but some how their tax person was able to have them get assigned a farm number with the US Agriculture dept and now able to take either a credit or deduction simply for having that farm number because they don't really farm? Any idea? Thanks in advance
@bmmr2nv wrote:
Thank you Opus 17. Also you seem very knowledgeable. We live on several acres and our friends live around the block which also live on the same amount of acres but some how their tax person was able to have them get assigned a farm number with the US Agriculture dept and now able to take either a credit or deduction simply for having that farm number because they don't really farm? Any idea? Thanks in advance
You will have to talk to them or find out who they talked to. The subject of this thread was charity donations. Overall farm taxes is far over my head.
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