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saurabh
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For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

It seems that unless the At Risk box is checked Turbo Tax will show the Schedule E income/loss as "Nonpassive" which does not appear to be appropriate for owning publicly traded MLPs. On the other hand I have seen comments that if you are an LP your investment is not "at risk".
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For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

Yes, the reason is that the $XX you invested could all be lost.

As a limited partner that may be the only amount you can lose, but you can lose, but you can lose your entire investment. 

If the company incurs some debt or lawsuit you can only lose your investment, nothing more. 

EDITED 3/21/2018 2:43 PM (CST) to add more detail below:

 Not at Risk, if you have amounts invested in this business for which you are not at risk, such as the following:
---Non-recourse loans used to finance the business
---Cash, property or borrowed amounts used in the business that are protected against loss by a guarantee, stop-loss agreement, or another similar arrangement (excluding casualty insurance and insurance against tort liability).
---Amounts borrowed for use in the business from a person who has an interest in the business, other than as a creditor.

At Risk rules

Usually, this is in relation to an at risk limit.

Basically the money you have in it is at risk. (investment losses money you loose) sometimes there is insurance against losses or the broker may have guaranteed your investment.

If you do not plan to make a profit then you have a hobby and this is not deductible.

What they are looking at if it goes poof what do you loose or is there something else to cover the loss.

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For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

Yes, the reason is that the $XX you invested could all be lost.

As a limited partner that may be the only amount you can lose, but you can lose, but you can lose your entire investment. 

If the company incurs some debt or lawsuit you can only lose your investment, nothing more. 

EDITED 3/21/2018 2:43 PM (CST) to add more detail below:

 Not at Risk, if you have amounts invested in this business for which you are not at risk, such as the following:
---Non-recourse loans used to finance the business
---Cash, property or borrowed amounts used in the business that are protected against loss by a guarantee, stop-loss agreement, or another similar arrangement (excluding casualty insurance and insurance against tort liability).
---Amounts borrowed for use in the business from a person who has an interest in the business, other than as a creditor.

At Risk rules

Usually, this is in relation to an at risk limit.

Basically the money you have in it is at risk. (investment losses money you loose) sometimes there is insurance against losses or the broker may have guaranteed your investment.

If you do not plan to make a profit then you have a hobby and this is not deductible.

What they are looking at if it goes poof what do you loose or is there something else to cover the loss.

saurabh
New Member

For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

For some reason even when I do that, it only fixed the check mark on Schedule E, but still puts the income/loss amount as a non-passive loss. Not sure why. This is for an MLP that was fully disposed off in 2017.

For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

MLP for oil and gas correct?

For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

This link is very good on this subject of MLP's  <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.thetaxadviser.com/issues/2008/aug/apracticalguidetothetaxissuesofinvestinginmasterlimite...>
saurabh
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For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

Yes the stock tickers for the MLPs in question are APU and BPL.
saurabh
New Member

For a publicly traded MLP should I be checking the "All of my investment activity is at risk" box? I would like Schedule E income/loss to be shown as "Passive".

I believe the prior year passive losses should not have been marked in "Nonpassive" column on Schedule E. It doesn't impact total loss and hence no impact to tax liability but it feels wrong.
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