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Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

The two W-2s are from two different Ministries. So I delete the W-2 with no salary in box 1 and only Housing Allowance in box 14? Then enter the W-2 from the other ministry that has salary box 1 and housing box 14? Where would I enter our Housing allowance for the deleted W-2? I'm not really understanding the instructions. 

MarilynG1
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Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

@Nwasher1 You could combine the Housing Allowance from both W-2's into one amount when you make your W-2 entry.

 

Click this link for detailed info on Ministers and Taxes

 

Also see the posts from @Opus 17.

 

 

 

 

[Edited 2/18/2021 | 10:43 am]

 

 

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Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC


@Nwasher1  wrote:

My ordained clergy husband was employed by 2 501c Ministries in 2020 and both gave us a housing allowance for clergy employment. One sent us a W-2 with Salary in box 1 and housing in box 14. The other ministry sent us a W-2 with box 1 blank and housing allowance in box 14. The problem is we can't efile now cause the box 1 is blank on that w-2. Was that ministry required to file a w-2 since no salary? Could we ask them to somehow amend so we don't have a w-2 and report the housing ourselves? My husband also has a form 4361 for clergy exemption on clergy employment for SE taxes. We only use the lesser of Fair Market Value or what we actually spent on housing expense. But we always estimate high then what we don't use goes back into our income. Just don't know how to efile now so any advice would be helpful! Thank you!


Enter the W-2 with wages first.  Check the box for "religious wages" on the page of special circumstances.  Enter the combined total of both housing allowances there.  (Box 14 is not enough. Turbotax won't pick it up automatically from there.)   Then enter your qualified housing expenses, and check the box for your exemption due to form 4361.  You will pay income tax on the wages plus any housing allowance that is more than your qualified expenses, and you won't pay SE tax.  You don't need to enter the other W-2 if it only has a housing allowance.  

 

 

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC


@Nwasher1  wrote:

The two W-2s are from two different Ministries. So I delete the W-2 with no salary in box 1 and only Housing Allowance in box 14? Then enter the W-2 from the other ministry that has salary box 1 and housing box 14? Where would I enter our Housing allowance for the deleted W-2? I'm not really understanding the instructions. 


 

Turbotax only has one field to enter the housing allowance anyway.  I'm pretty sure that if you did enter 2 W-2s, the second amount of housing allowance would be ignored, or would replace the first.  Turbotax is not 100% thought out for clergy wages, although it is better than it used to be.  Simply add the 2 housing allowance amounts together and enter them as part of the W-2 interview for the W-2 that has box 1 wages. 

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

@MarilynG1 , although the older posts talk about self-employment, the current person we are talking to @Nwasher1  has 2 W-2s.  There is no benefit to creating a schedule C, and in fact it may do more harm than good.

 

A pastor who has only housing allowance, and no taxable wages, must create a schedule C in order to trigger the housing allowance question.  Here, since @Nwasher1  has one W-2 with taxable wages, the simplest thing to do is just combine the 2 housing allowance amounts and enter them with the first W-2, and then not enter the second W-2 at all.

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC


@MW1013 wrote:

I need help. My husband and I were both hired at a church (he was worship pastor, and I was Children's Pastor). We each received a 1099-NEC. The total in box 1 also included our housing allowing (pre-determined and in writing already). Can I enter a lower amount for box 1 when I enter my 1099 information and then enter the appropriate amount in the housing allowance box? I am so confused. We have already received W2s at our prior church and this makes no sense. 


I respectfully disagree with the Turbotax employee.  While the adjustment will get the figure right for e-filing, it's not allowed under the law, and the IRS could come asking questions.  Your 1099 is simply incorrect, the church should NOT report the housing allowance included in the wages, box 1 should be the taxable wages only.  Your church needs to issue a corrected 1099 to each of you.

 

In fact, if your position is answerable to the church (such as via a board of elders, an administrative council, or so on) then you are common law employees and the church is required to issue a W-2 and not a 1099.  Box 1 will have your taxable wages, box 2 can have federal tax withholding (this is optional, but you and the church can agree to do this) and boxes 3-6 are blank since your wages are not subject to FICA or Medicare tax.  Your housing allowance can go in box 14 or can be reported in a separate memo.  The church files a form 941 or 944 to report wages to the IRS.  It doesn't change your tax owed, but the church may have other responsibilities to employees under state law.  (For example, in NY, employees must receive a paystub each payday with certain required information, and I believe the fine is $50 per employee per paycheck for failing to provide a proper pay stub.) Your state may require the church to provide compensation, worker's comp insurance, or other benefits to employees.  Minimum wage and other wage & hour laws may apply to you, and if the state decided to get picky, the church could be at risk.  At the risk of being "preachy", Stewardship starts at home, and your finance people need to get it right.  Here is a good resource. 

https://go.efca.org/resources/document/preparing-tax-returns-clergy

 

Now, assuming you get corrected 1099s and not W-2s this year, this is what you need to do.

Because Turbotax changed the 1099 workflow, you must create a small business for spouse #1 first.  Use job code 813000, which will trigger the program to ask about your housing allowance.   Then enter income for spouse #1, including these wages and any side income.  You can also enter work related expenses, but you must reduce your expenses according to the Deason rule (explained below).  Then finalize small business #1, and go back and start over and create a small business for spouse #2, also using job code 813000. Enter income and expenses.  Then you can go on to the rest of the tax return (itemized deductions, dependents, etc.)  If you enter the 1099's directly, the program may not ask about your housing allowance and may not create a schedule SE for your self-employment tax, so set up the businesses first. 

 

Regarding your housing allowance, you can't use the same qualifying expenses twice.  For example, if spouse #1 has a $10,000 housing allowance and spouse #2 has a $15,000 housing allowance, but your total qualifying expenses are only $18,000, then you would enter $10,000 for spouse #1 and $8,000 for spouse #2 and the excess housing allowance becomes taxable income.  (Or you could enter $15,000 of expenses for spouse #2 and $3000 of expenses for spouse #1, it doesn't matter on a joint return how you split them up, but you get the idea.)

 

The Deason rule says you must adjust your work-related expenses to take account of the fact that your housing allowance is non-taxable.  For example, if you have wages of $10,000 and a housing allowance of $15,000, then since only 40% of your income is taxable wages, you can only deduct 40% of your expenses (mileage, etc).  You must do the calculation and enter the adjusted figure, Turbotax does not include this calculation.  You are supposed to file by mail and attach a written explanation of your expenses and the calculation, but you are probably safe to e-file as long as you save proof of your expenses and how you calculated the deductible part in case of audit. 

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

Thank you so much for clarifying this! You're correct that we did NOT receive a 1099-misc. I deleted the W2 with no salary(all boxes are empty except for box14-housing) and entered the W2 that has salary and housing. When I continued through the screens it did bring up a screen to enter housing amount. I combined both housing allowances and entered the total. Then entered the amount of housing we actually used and yes the difference was added back to our income total. The result of our refund stayed the exact same after these steps so the calculations must be correct. 

My only question now is will this trigger a delay in processing when the IRS system tries to match the deleted W2 to our return? 

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

@Nwasher1  

I don’t think so.  If the W-2 only has box 14 and nothing in box 1 or 16, there’s nothing to match.  It probably shouldn’t have even been issued.  

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

Does the IRS get the actual W-2 or just the income amounts from the Social Security department? I know the Social Security department gets a W-3 with amounts when a business fills out a W-2 and sends it. 

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

@Nwasher1  

I don’t actually know the exact details, although the IRS must get much more than just boxes 1 through 6, because the several of the codes in box 12 and the retirement check box 13 can significantly impact your federal tax return.  However, box 14 is a general memo field and employers can put anything in that box that they want to. Some items in box 14 are recognized by TurboTax, I think when states have designated certain items be put there.

mlynch1
New Member

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

My husband is in a temporary pastoral situation and receives a 1099-NEC, 

I have deducted his expenses under the 1099 self employed deductions. 

Am I still able to use the Self-Employee Tax deductions under the Business Tax and Deductions? Under the Job Related Expenses? 

He did not receive a W-2 for Pastoral Income this year

 

Thank you for your help

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC


@mlynch1 wrote:

My husband is in a temporary pastoral situation and receives a 1099-NEC, 

I have deducted his expenses under the 1099 self employed deductions. 

Am I still able to use the Self-Employee Tax deductions under the Business Tax and Deductions? Under the Job Related Expenses? 

He did not receive a W-2 for Pastoral Income this year

 

Thank you for your help


Generally speaking, a pastor who is paid via 1099-NEC and files a schedule C can deduct work-related expenses according to the same rules as other self-employed persons.  However, if part of the pastor's compensation is a non-taxable housing allowance, the business expense deduction must be reduced by the non-taxable part of their compensation.  For example, if a pastor receives a cash salary of $25,000, but $10,000 is designated as a housing allowance and only $15,000 is reported on the 1099-NEC, then the pastor can only deduct 60% of their work expenses, because only 60% of their income is subject to income tax.  Turbotax does not do this calculation, you must do it yourself.  Technically, you are required to file by mail and attach a worksheet that documents your calculations.  If you e-file, make sure you save your calculations in case of audit.

 

More on clergy taxes here, https://go.efca.org/resources/document/preparing-tax-returns-clergy

ConradM
Returning Member

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

How do you separate the Housing Allowance on a 1099 where it isn't taxed for the federal, but is taxes for the state?  I send the same information to both government agencies.

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

@ConradM 

Most states have tax laws that “conform” to the federal definition of taxable income.  What state taxes your housing allowance?

ConradM
Returning Member

Housing allowance - pastor getting a 1099 MISC

We have both W-2 employees and 1099 contractors, and for our W-2 employees, their gross pay is reported to both Pennsylvania and Maryland, but for the federal pay, the housing allowance is deducted.  So I would assume the same differences would be reported for 1099 workers, if they had a Housing Allowance.  We have a 1099 contractor who would like to have a Housing Allowance, but I didn't know if it was possible.

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