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I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

 
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SabrinaD2
Expert Alumni

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

If you paid 110% of last year's tax but TurboTax is still calculating an underpayment penalty, here's a summary of what might be happening and how to address it:

 

IRS Requirements: The IRS imposes underpayment penalties if you don't withhold or pay enough tax on income received during each quarter, even if you pay your total tax bill by the April deadline or are due a refund,

 

Annualizing Your Tax: To potentially reduce or eliminate the penalty, use the "annualizing your tax" feature in TurboTax:

  • Be sure you are logged in TurboTax then:
  • TurboTax take you through the steps to possibly reduce what you owe.

 

For more details, you can refer to the TurboTax support article here.

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

I understand but since I withheld and submitted 110% of my 2023 tax liability, there should not be a penalty assessed and it should be waived per the IRS Pub 505. 

Do I have the ability to uncheck the box on the software?

KeshaH
Expert Alumni

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

You can choose the option to have the IRS calculate the penalty and it will be removed from your return.

lynn8tt
Returning Member

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

It will not allow me to have the IRS calculate the penalty. Calling the help line 5 times they want to connect me with a tax expert and charge me $70?? to help me. It is an error in turbo tax and I should not be charged for help in eliminating this penalty. 

 

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

how did pay the tax was it estimated tax and paid evenly through the year, or did you pay it unevenly?

 

you can meet the 110% in total for the year to, but if you didn't do it evenly you may be assessed a penalty for underpayment in a particular quarter.

 

are you on desktop or online.  if on desktop in Forms mode you can double-click on Form 1040 penalty amount then double click again on the penalty in the worksheet and you will get to Form 2210 which will show you the calculations.  Not sure equivalent with TT Online, if you're able to see a copy of the return with 'all forms and worksheets' it might be in there.

Leonard18
New Member

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

You are correct that when your AGI is over X amount, there is a 110% rule.  However, is it possible that the penalty is calculated based on the dates of your estimated tax payments?  Withholding is considered withheld timely through the year (even if you received a big bonus on 12/31 and got to the 110% that way).  However, a penalty may still be calculated if you made estimated payments late and/or didn't make the minimum amount required per payment.  The 2210 form should give you an idea if this is happening. 

For example, if each of your quarterly required payments was $1,000, let's assume no credit carryforward. If you made $800 on the first payment and $1200 on the second, you would have an underpayment penalty of $200 for two months (the difference between the first payment date (4/15) and the second required payment date (6/15).  As of 6/15, you are caught up, and the penalty calculation will cease.  So this is possibly why a penalty is being computed.  Again, remember withholding is applied evenly throughout the year, no matter "when" it was actually withheld.  

I believe there was also another comment about annualizing your income. This is a pain, but it is worth it in certain situations. Let's say you sold a piece of land (so not a transaction that would have any federal/state withholding) for a $100,000 gain in December of the tax year.  You clearly did NOT make an estimated payment for the sale of that land because you didn't know it would happen.   "Assuming" you don't eliminate an underpayment penalty based on the prior (100% or 110% rule) or the current year 90% rule in its simple calculation, you would break your income and deductions down into sections based on "when it was earned" and determine your penalty (or eliminate the penalty).  This is useful because if you sold your land in December, you would have only been required to remit payment with the 4th quarter January 15th payment.  By annualizing, you have let the government know that you didn't earn this income until December, thereby not having the underpayment penalty calculated based on the assumption that income was earned evenly through the year.  If this is applicable, be careful to verify the dates required to separate your income.  I can't recall them off the top of my head, but it is NOT the standard quarterly assumption.  

So, these are potential reasons why you have a penalty calculating and how you may be able to remove the penalty if you fall into an annualization issue, or if perhaps you can see if the penalty is correct based on evenly required payments without annualization consideration.  

Hopefully, this will not be too confusing and will help.  



lynn8tt
Returning Member

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

The estimated taxes are paid at the due date and are based on the amounts calculated on my 2023 Turbo Tax return to pay 110% of the taxes due in 2023. The taxes withheld from monthly pension payments are paid monthly. I have been using Turbo Tax for over 30 years with these same circumstances and this is the first year I have been charged a penalty. I want Turbo Tax 2024 to recognize the correct payment was made and not take me to a payment penalty loop that is impossible to solve.

lynn8tt
Returning Member

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

I am on the desktop PC program. The estimated taxes from the 2023 return are paid quarterly on time to the IRS electronically two days before the due date and the taxes withheld from the 1099R payments are paid monthly. I have been using Turbo Tax for over 30 years. There is no reason I owe a penalty and I should not have to fill out form 2210. If Turbo Tax insists on form 2210, I should be able to have the IRS calculate the penalty, but that box cannot be checked for some reason that the administrator on the phone call yesterday was not able to explain. 

I paid 110% of tax from last year, yet the program is trying to charge an underpayment penalty. Per Pub 505, it is incorrectly assessing me an underpayment penalty.

ok so if you're on desktop, pls go to Forms, if there is no Form 2210 visible in the list, go to Form 1040 penalty line, double-click it, double-click it again on the worksheet to bring up the Form 2210.

 

That form should explain why you are getting a penalty and if you provide more details on what is happening on that form then maybe folks in this thread will be able to help resolve or explain it.

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