Hello,
I'll appreciate if someone could look at my situation described below and advice.
I moved out of the US in Oct 2022 after the end of my visa. I had been a single, resident alien filer for many years. In Nov-Dec, I moved my funds to my home country's bank accounts. It is all my money that I have paid US taxes on. I don't have plans to return to the US.
Based on instructions in P519 and as discussed in this forum (like Dual Status), I could file as dual-status i.e. resident till Oct and non-resident for Nov-Dec. As I did not have any earnings in my home country in 2022 and to simplify my return, I chose to file as a resident for the whole year. I filed my 1040 for 2022 that was accepted and refund processed by the IRS.
The funds that I transferred out after I left in Oct 2022 do exceed the $10K and $50K reporting threshold for FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) and FATCA (Form 8938). I did not qualify for this reporting in any of my earlier years. Since I had to transfer the funds after I left the US, I'm looking for advice that will not penalize me for transferring my own funds.
1. As I opted for resident for whole of 2022, I assume that I'll be treated as a resident for all rules even though I left the US in Oct. In particular, Form 8938 instructions mention that dual status files need not report foreign funds but I assume that doesn't apply to my case unless I amend my returns for 2022 to be dual-status? I don't know if such an amendment is even possible or advisable?
2. Since I moved the funds after I left, I did not include Form 8938 in my return. In hindsight, it was a mistake to not file it with my 1040. Hence, I also plan to file a 1040-X with Form 8938 for 2022. Is this the correct way and since it is already overdue, how does the IRS penalize in such cases?
3. Since the FBAR instruction only mentions the calendar year and doesn't consider dual-status in any case, and I already declared foreign accounts in my 1040 Schedule B, I'm going to file FinCEN. I assume that my understanding is correct.
4. I don't have an active US address or a phone number. As far as I'm aware, I have not had any communication from the IRS on this issue. How does the IRS contact foreign persons - only through paper mail or do they also use the email mentioned in my return, or other means?
Thank you for your time.
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@SAD24 , Your understanding is correct. However, the sailing permit generally is for long-term residents -- but in your case I think you fall just outside that requirement . Because , you probably were not a "resident for tax purposes" more than 7 years or thereabouts. The whole purpose of the sailing permit is effectively to ensure that US collects its taxes -- you have filed your return and paid your taxes. And if you had any capital assets , you have liquidated and recognized those items on your return. So IRS should not have anything to complain about.
I hope this answers your query. Glad have been able to help you .
Namaste ji
pk.
@pk?
@SAD24 , what I get from your post is that
(a) you a US person ( Resident for Tax purposes, lived in the USA ( for long ? ), terminated your physical presence in the US in October of 2022
(b) you worked / earned in the USA on a work-visa (??)
( you moved all your financial assets to your home country on re-patriation in October 2022 to your foreign account in your home country (which country )
(c) you had NO US sourced / connected income since October 2022 and NO income in Home country ( is this true? )
(d) You chose to terminate your wok-visa on 12/31 2022 ( is this true and how did you do this -- notification to USCIS ( US Customs & Imm. Service ) or to IRS via Sailing Permit Request or what .
(e) Now the question is what to do with FBAR and FATCA requirements ---
1. Because you have chosen to file 2022 as a full year Resident ( form 1040, Standard Deduction etc. ), your world income is US taxable .
2. Because you state that on transferring monies from your US bank account to your foreign ( Home country bank account ) , you meet the FBAR requirements --- you need to file FBAR form 114. It is not a tax event but your foreign bank and your US bank ( the transferring bank ) both would have reported this even.
3. FATCA form 8938 should be filed , even though you have reported the presence of foreign bank account on schedule-B Again it is not a tax even but it safer to do it.
4. Note that for intents and purposes you would be a Resident for 2022, taxed on your world income till 12/31/2022. And depending on how many years you have been in the USA, you may satisfy the requirements of a long-term resident with all its requirements -- but I cannot comment on that aspect till you answer the questions posed abve.
I will circle back once I hear from you
@pk wrote:@SAD24 , what I get from your post is that
(a) you a US person ( Resident for Tax purposes, lived in the USA ( for long ? ), terminated your physical presence in the US in October of 2022
(b) you worked / earned in the USA on a work-visa (??)
( you moved all your financial assets to your home country on re-patriation in October 2022 to your foreign account in your home country (which country )
(c) you had NO US sourced / connected income since October 2022 and NO income in Home country ( is this true? )
(d) You chose to terminate your wok-visa on 12/31 2022 ( is this true and how did you do this -- notification to USCIS ( US Customs & Imm. Service ) or to IRS via Sailing Permit Request or what .
a) I left the US after end of my H-1B by 10/31 and before that I was on F-1 (total 14 years in the US).
b) India. I'm an Indian citizen.
c) Yes, no W-2 or home income in Nov-Dec 2022. Only 1099-INT for 2022 from a US bank. But see also my comment on foreign bank interest later.
d) No, I left after end of my visa by end of Oct and not on 12/31. For tax filing, I could have opted for an early residency termination date and filed as a dual status, but I chose to file as a resident for the full year.
Unfortunately, I become aware of the "sailing permit" from p519 only before I filed my 1040 in April this year. The IRS processed and refunded me for 2022.
(e) Now the question is what to do with FBAR and FATCA requirements ---
1. Because you have chosen to file 2022 as a full year Resident ( form 1040, Standard Deduction etc. ), your world income is US taxable .
2. Because you state that on transferring monies from your US bank account to your foreign ( Home country bank account ) , you meet the FBAR requirements --- you need to file FBAR form 114. It is not a tax event but your foreign bank and your US bank ( the transferring bank ) both would have reported this even.
3. FATCA form 8938 should be filed , even though you have reported the presence of foreign bank account on schedule-B Again it is not a tax even but it safer to do it.
4. Note that for intents and purposes you would be a Resident for 2022, taxed on your world income till 12/31/2022. And depending on how many years you have been in the USA, you may satisfy the requirements of a long-term resident with all its requirements -- but I cannot comment on that aspect till you answer the questions posed abve.
I will circle back once I hear from you
1. Yes, I understand. I assume that perhaps I can't or shouldn't be amending my return as dual status at this stage.
2. I'll file FBAR - thanks for confirming.
3. I have now realized that one of my repatriated bank accounts generated a small interest during Nov-Dec 2022. I'm planning to file 1040-X with 8938 while including this interest that accrued. I assume that I'll have to report the foreign bank interest in Schedule B as well?
4. My understanding is that long-term resident condition only applies to permanent residents - I was never one. Kindly point me to relevant IRS documentation for my understanding.
Look forward to hearing back. Thank you.
I'm bumping the thread to ping @pk
@SAD24 , Your understanding is correct. However, the sailing permit generally is for long-term residents -- but in your case I think you fall just outside that requirement . Because , you probably were not a "resident for tax purposes" more than 7 years or thereabouts. The whole purpose of the sailing permit is effectively to ensure that US collects its taxes -- you have filed your return and paid your taxes. And if you had any capital assets , you have liquidated and recognized those items on your return. So IRS should not have anything to complain about.
I hope this answers your query. Glad have been able to help you .
Namaste ji
pk.
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