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BillTax
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American ex-pat working in Germany--reporting capital gains--FTC offsetting NIIT

I'm an American ex-pat working in Germany and use TurboTax Home and Business to prepare returns. 

 

I use the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion to avoid income tax on my work salary.  

 

This year I have investment income to report for the first time and anticipate having that in future years.   I tried using the Foreign Tax Credit (FTC) to offset the taxes due but no matter what I do, TurboTax still shows I am liable for the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT--a 3.8% tax on investment income).   There is debate online about whether this tax can be offset by the FTC but the most recent court decision is that this tax should be excluded in countries that have comprehensive tax treaties with the US.   Germany is one of those countries!

 

Am I doing something wrong or does TurboTax not allow the NIIT to be offset by the FTC?

 

(Thanks for any help that can be provided and sorry for the acronym soup).

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pk
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American ex-pat working in Germany--reporting capital gains--FTC offsetting NIIT

@BillTax ,  the real issue here is  (a)  Tax Treaties address ONLY  "Income Tax"  and  (b) whether NIIT is an income tax i.e. it is associated  with an foreign source income that is  taxed by both contracting countries..    Recognizing  that the underlying Foreign Source income  that is the causal factor  for attracting the NIIT  ( an additional tax ) in addition to the normal & allocated  US tax liability,  it is arguable  ( based on exact facts  ) that this should be treated as part of the double taxation.   I have not yet read through the  tax court opinion / analysis, but  I would feel comfortable  in using NIIT  as an additional tax  that comes under  "income tax " but to the extent that the income itself is foreign source.

 So  an allocation  of  the NIIT is required  ( i.e.  identify that part of NIIT that is being imposed on the foreign income)  to sustain a logical argument that this is an additional and income tax  ( and not an excise or other taxes that are generally outside the domain of  tax treaty.

 

I will  definitely  study the tax court opinions  -- exact logic followed by the court.

For purposes of the form 1116, you have  probably go into forms mode to get the desired results  ( this is because in general TurboTax -- and others -- all use the Foreign source income  to World income ratio  to allocate  US tax  on the foreign source income  ( but  the computation probably does not include the NIIT as part of the computed tax liability ).

 

Does this make sense ?

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