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2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@annoyed_user don’t you worry about potential audit risk? 

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

timeforsync

I have nothing to fear from an audit.  If the IRS plugs in the properly calculated numbers from the data I entered, I still will owe no underpayment penalty.  If they want me to come in and justify the calculations I will blame Turbo Tax.  If they simply return my tax return after running the numbers, I'll fix it manually and mail in the return (assuming Turbo Tax is incapable of fixing the problem).

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

With respect to messed up 2021 Form 2210 AI line 14 calculations,  I ran a  check to verify my spreadsheet, which is based on IRS Pub 505 Worksheets for Form 2210,  was correctly predicting line 14.  I went back to 2019 TT Form 2210 and compared what the spreadsheet calculated for taxes due line 14 to what my spreadsheet predicted for that year and they matched in all periods.  If TT had just used 2019 Form 2210 which has the same est tax periods as 2021, rather than using 2020 Form 2210 as a basis, there wouldn't have been all the errors in 2021 Form 2210 that they still haven't fixed.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@Tax4fp Couldn't agree more! As a former programmer, I always put away the previous version of software incase the new modifications went bonkers. I still do that with spreadsheets. They knew the IRS changes in 2020 were temporary because of the covid stuff. 

I love that this community has figured out the errors before the TT can even acknowledge them. I think early March I will file with a IRS provided form 2210 filed out with my spreadsheet values. I send hard copies, so I should be able to merge the two sources. 

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

TT update on 3/3/22 did not fix any of the errors in Form 2210.  Still not calculating line 14 (a)-(c) on Form 2210AI correctly and still using the wrong dates in step by step for annualizing withholding.  2021 TT Form 22210 is a piece of junk that TT isn't making any effort to fix and TT 100% accuracy guarantee isn't worth anything so they don't even try.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

They also have not done line 7 on Schedule AI correctly either.  It should also include the amount from line 12b on form 1040 NR, SR, etc.

MJK6
Level 3

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Does anyone recall seeing the original release date for this form?  I think the first time I looked, it was going to be March 17 or so. Then they moved it up to 2/17, and here we are. They should have waited and got it right.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Even though the 3/3/22 TT update didn't correct any of the errors in multiple lines of Form 2210, it did something so that IRS now accepts the return.  Since both the correct and incorrect Form 2210 numbers showed that I didn't owe any underpayment penalty, I just let it go through and annotated my copy of printed return to highlight the errors in case the IRS ever questions the return.  2021 TT Form 2210 is still an error filled piece of junk and I'll use something else next year because they don't seem to care to issue a quality product.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

TT update on 3/3/22 did not fix any of the errors in Form 2210.  Still not calculating line 14 (a)-(c) on Form 2210AI correctly

 

TT developers, please fix this asap!

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

See TT employee tax expert reply to another item where I posted about Form 2210 errors on line 14.  It appears that someone from TT finally paid attention to our comments, confirmed the error, and initiated investigation.

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/tt-2021-desktop-form-[product ke...

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I too see this error where the charitable amount on line 12b is not included in line 7 on 2210AI.  I can't seem to force it.  Line 2210AI 13d does not match line 15 on the 1040.  However the tax on 1040 line 16 and  2210AI line 14d do match.   But the mounts on 2210 AI line 13 a,b,c are wrong and one would assume the tax calculations on line 14 a, b, c are also wrong and therefore the amount of tax needed to be paid on 2210AI line 21 a,b,c are also wrong.

 

TurboTax when can you fix this?

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I have indicated that at least twice in my posts - one was about 2 weeks ago and one a couple days ago.    My lines 11 and 13 are off by $600.  Even in column d of the AI worksheet my 4th period is off by the $600, yet they calculate the same tax owed on line 14.  Makes you wonder about ALL of the line 14 tax amounts.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

There are several problems with Form 2210 that remain as of March 5:

  1. Failure to include 2020 refunds applied to 2021 taxes. 2020 refunds applied to 2021 taxes are not credited as tax payments in any column of Form 2210, Part III Line 11. (Part 2 Box C is checked, Box D is not). Instructions for Line 11 state they should be included: "Include the following payments: Any overpayment from your 2020 return applied to your 2021 estimated tax payments." For those that filed by April 15, the credit should be included in the first quarter for Line 11, but TT fails to include it in any quarter.
  2. Failure to include above-the-line charitable contributions. As many have pointed out, Schedule AI, line 7 fails to include any amount on Form 1040, line 12(b) (above the line charitable contributions: up to $300 single / $600 MFJ). Taxes calculated on lines 14(a), 14(b), and 14(c) are therefore slightly higher than they should be. (The deduction is properly included in the final tax calculation in 14(d), even though the taxable income shown on line 13(d) is incorrect.)
  3. Tax computation in Schedule AI, line 14 (a), (b), (c). TT assumes that capital gains are one-time events for each quarter, while qualified dividends will continue throughout the year. Consequently, qualified dividends are annualized by multiplying by 4, 2.4, and 1.5 for the first through third quarters in the tax calculation, but capital gains are not multiplied by any factor. For example, if you are married filing joint and have $50,000 in income that includes $1000 in capital gain in the first quarter, TT calculates the taxes on (4*$50,000)-$1000 = $199,000 at regular tax rates and $1000 at 15% tax rates. However, if you have $50,000 in income that includes $1000 in qualified dividends it calculates the taxes on (4*50,000)-4*$1000 = $196,000 at regular tax rates and 4*$1000 = $4000 at 15% tax rates. The underlying assumptions that qualified dividends are recurring (and hence should be annualized) but capital gains are one-time-events (and hence should not be annualized) are reasonable for many, but not all.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I agree that the problem with line 14 (a)-(c) is related to how TT Form 2210AI scales (QD) and doesn't scale (CG) factors to calculate the impact of CG/QD.  This is wrong and not consistent with IRS Pub 505 worksheet 2-8 which would scale both.  Fix your program TT.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

kevinandlori, with respect to item 1, 

"Failure to include 2020 refunds applied to 2021 taxes. 2020 refunds applied to 2021 taxes are not credited as tax payments in any column of Form 2210, Part III Line 11. (Part 2 Box C is checked, Box D is not). Instructions for Line 11 state they should be included: "Include the following payments: Any overpayment from your 2020 return applied to your 2021 estimated tax payments." For those that filed by April 15, the credit should be included in the first quarter for Line 11, but TT fails to include it in any quarter."

  • If you had an overpayment from 2021, applied it to 2022, and filed your 2020 return on or before April 15, 2021 (even though is was not due to be filed until May 17, 2012), the overpayment amount is treated as a 2021 estimated tax payment made on April 15, 2021. 
  • Both Box C and Box D can be checked, if applicable. I'm assuming you did not check Box D because either (1) you did not have any tax witheld from income in 2021 or (2) you wanted 2021withholding tax allocated equally to the four installments. [Note, in my experience, as an employee, it was generally advantageous to check Box D, as any bonuses were usually paid in the the first quarter thereby inflating the Line 11 first quarter tax paid. Also, even with consistent income and withholding, tax withheld is likely to be greater in the first quarter estmated tax period as the period covers 105 days (1/1-4/15)].  Retirees with required minimum distributions (RMDs) from qualified pension plans and IRAs can reduce or eliminate estmated tax penalty exposure by taking annual RMDs during the first quarter. I don't know why checking Box D would have any impact on the timing of credit of a 2020 overpayment applied to 2021 on Line 11, but perhaps it worth testing whether there is any impact, understanding that, if you choose, you could allocate Line 11 withholding taxes equally (the IRS default rule).

Other TT users have obtained expected results after TT updates by re-entering all relevant step-by-step information. Although tedious, this process worked for me re the TT updates for Forms 2210 and 1116. 

 

Unrelated to your question. For many years, I have made it practice to obtain an extension and file by the extended due date of October 15. With Form 4868, the goal was to cover any tax due plus the amount of any first quarter installment payments. Occasionally, it allowed me to spend additional time on issues that required review and correct errors on the originally filed return, rather than a messy amended return. Worked well until COVID effecyively shut down the IRS. In a threatening letter, the IRS said it did not receive my 1999 return. Fortunately, with the help of a certified mail receipt and the USPS Tracking System, I was able to provide evidence of timely mailing and actual receipt. Last year, my computer crashed just before October 15 and I ended up manually preparing 2020 returns.  The latter experience made me appreciate the value of TT, despite recent declines in the quality of this important service.    

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