artg and kevinandlori,
Form 2210. Line 11 Amounts.
Thankfully, I do not need to use the Box C annualized income method to reduce or eliminate Form 2210 penalty. But, I am using the Box D actual tax payments method. For either method, Line 11 comes into play.
artg, the step-by-step screen for inputting actual withholding tax in 2021 still has incorrect dates for second and third estimated tax installment periods, as I explained in my updated post of Tuesday, February 22, 2022, which I include at the end of this post for ease of reference. In summation, I believe TT has correctly programmed Line 11 based on guidance included in Form 2210 Instuctions and earlier guidance in 2021. While I do not necessarily agree with the expressed IRS view, TT has no choice but to program Form 2210 based on that view.
For my own return, I entered actual withholding amounts based on the correct dates as stated in 2021 Form 2210 and its instructions and obtained the expected results on the Form 2210 that I must file with the IRS.
A source of initial confusion for me was the timing of the credit for an overpayment of 2020 tax applied to 2021, which would normally be treated as an estimated tax payment made on April 15, 2021 for Line 11 purposes. Based on IRS guidance, TT applied a portion of this credit to the second installment period (4/16/2021- 6/15/2021), but only to the extent that the 2020 overpayment was attributable to a tax payment made with the Form 4868 extention after April 15, 2021, which was required to be filed by May 23, 2021. See hypothetical example below.
I hope this all makes sense and is useful.
My earlier update 2/22/2022 updated response is included below.
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This is an update to my post of Saturday, 19 Feb. 2022 re:
Form 2210, Part III, Line 11(a) calculation.
Based on personal experience with 2021 Form 2210, I believe TT's Line 11(a) calculation of first quarter estimated tax includes the amount of any 2020 tax overpayment applied to 2021, but TT generally reduces the Line 11(a) amount by any tax paid AFTER APRIL 15, 2021 with the 2020 Form 4868 extension of time to file the 2020 return, which was due May 17, 2021. [IMPORTANT Note: I indicated in the earlier post that I thought this was a TT programming error, but now I am reasonably certain that is not the case.]
TT assumes that tax paid with the extension was paid on May 17, 2021, unless the customer indicates on the applicable TT input sheet that it was paid on another date. For example, if a 2020 tax overpayment of $500 was properly applied to 2021, and $300 was paid with a timely-filed 2020 Form 4868 after April 15, 2021, TT is reducing the $500 first quarter estimated payment included on Line 11(a) by the $300 extension payment, unless the customer indicates on the appropriate input sheet that the Form 4868 amount was paid on another date that is on or before April 15, 2021. In the example above, TT is applying the $500 overpayment as a 2021 estimated payment as follows: Line 11(a) $200 that is treated as paid on April 15, 2021; Line 11(b) $300 that is treated as paid on May 17, 2021.
In the earlier post made last week, I did not realize that TT is including the $300 Form 4868 tax payment in this example as a second quarter estimated payment on Line 11(b). A careful reading of the 2021 Form 2210 Instructions for Line 11 provides ample support for TT's conclusion. See second bullet in the penultimate paragraph of the guidance for Line 11 on page 5 of the Instructions, which states: "If an an overpayment is generated on your 2020 return from a payment made after April 15, 2021, treat the [2021 estimated tax] payment as made on the date of payment." Moreover. the IRS has consistently taken this position during 2021 and to date in 2022, most notably in an announcement made April 12, 2021. Remember, IRS created this dilemma when in March 2021 it decided to postpone the 2020 tax return filing date to May 17, 2021, but did not likewise postpone the April 15, 2021 due date of the 2021 first quarter estimated tax payment.
Thus, I believe TT's programming logic is correct based on the IRS position as stated in the 2021 Form 2210 Instructions and in other recent guidance. Not every practitioner agrees with the IRS position. Some believe there is a plausible arguement that any available tax credit to 2021 from a 2020 overpayment attributable to a timely-filed 2020 Form 4868 extension should be treated as an estimated payment made on April 15, 2021, but given the IRS position and the relatively small amount of the penalty in most cases, it will usually not make economic sense to make the argument, given the advisability to consult a competent tax advisor along with related consultation costs, possible requirement to make written disclosure of taxpayer's position with the filing of the return, and the cost of defending the position if challenged by the IRS.
Just to be clear, on my return, I checked Box D in Part II, electing to treat federal income tax withheld from 2021 income as paid on dates actually withheld for Form 2210 purposes, rather than spread the aggregate of 2021 withholding tax equally over the four 2021 estimated tax installment periods. While I did not elect to use the annualized income installment method (Part II, Box C), the Line 11(a) issue described above is applicable to any taxpayer who is required to file Form 2210 because it checked either Box C or D in Part II of the Form. "
