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As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

My son received a pell grant and also some Texas grant for fall of 2022.  After tuition was paid he had about $3,000 refund that was sent to us from the school. We didn’t have to pay out of pocket for anything tuition related or education related. Do I need to file his 1098T? I will still file his as a dependent. I would love the credit but I don’t want to mess up my refund or possible be audited 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Q. As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T?

A. Simple answer: No. The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. 

But taxes aren't simple. 

There is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents  (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship.  You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.  Pell grants are not usually restricted. 

Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.

Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.

 

The IRS actually encourages use of this technique. From the form 1040 instructions: “You may be able to increase an education credit if the student chooses to include all or part of a Pell grant or certain other scholarships or fellowships in income. For more information, see Pub. 970, the instructions for Form 1040 and IRS.gov/EdCredit".  PUB 970 even has examples of how to do the “loop hole”.

 

If your son's total reportable income is less than $12, 950, he does not need to file a tax return*. But you may want to have him file anyway to document the reporting of the taxable scholarship. 

 

*Unless he has Unearned income (interest, dividends, capital gains, unemployment, taxable portion of 529 distribution) of more than $1150 (2022).  Taxable scholarship is treated as earned income for this purpose. 

 

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How to do that in TurboTax:

You can both use the 1098-T to enter the expenses. If you claim the tuition credit, you do need to report that you got one (the TurboTax interview will handle this) Your student should use the 1098-T because it makes entering scholarship income go smoother and puts the income in the right place on the tax forms. Taxable scholarship is now reported on (new for 2022) line 8r of Schedule 1, rather than line 1 of form 1040.

 

You essentially have to use a work around in TurboTax (TT).  Here's how I would do it. Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but only enter $4000 in box 1. No other numbers. You only enter the 1098-T to get TurboTax to check the proper box on form 8863. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS.

Enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return. Enter book expenses separately.  In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. That will put all his excess scholarship as income on his return.  

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s interview.  Check the student information work sheet (part VI, line 17) to verify it was entered.  If not, the alternate workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T. 

 

There's yet another (and simplest) work around. Manually calculate the taxable amount of scholarship and enter the 1098-T, on his return, with 0 in box 1 and the  taxable amount  in box 5. In that case be sure the amount in the  "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" box is 0.

 

 

 

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As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

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Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Q. As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T?

A. Simple answer: No. The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. 

But taxes aren't simple. 

There is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents  (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship.  You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.  Pell grants are not usually restricted. 

Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.

Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.

 

The IRS actually encourages use of this technique. From the form 1040 instructions: “You may be able to increase an education credit if the student chooses to include all or part of a Pell grant or certain other scholarships or fellowships in income. For more information, see Pub. 970, the instructions for Form 1040 and IRS.gov/EdCredit".  PUB 970 even has examples of how to do the “loop hole”.

 

If your son's total reportable income is less than $12, 950, he does not need to file a tax return*. But you may want to have him file anyway to document the reporting of the taxable scholarship. 

 

*Unless he has Unearned income (interest, dividends, capital gains, unemployment, taxable portion of 529 distribution) of more than $1150 (2022).  Taxable scholarship is treated as earned income for this purpose. 

 

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How to do that in TurboTax:

You can both use the 1098-T to enter the expenses. If you claim the tuition credit, you do need to report that you got one (the TurboTax interview will handle this) Your student should use the 1098-T because it makes entering scholarship income go smoother and puts the income in the right place on the tax forms. Taxable scholarship is now reported on (new for 2022) line 8r of Schedule 1, rather than line 1 of form 1040.

 

You essentially have to use a work around in TurboTax (TT).  Here's how I would do it. Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but only enter $4000 in box 1. No other numbers. You only enter the 1098-T to get TurboTax to check the proper box on form 8863. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS.

Enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return. Enter book expenses separately.  In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. That will put all his excess scholarship as income on his return.  

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s interview.  Check the student information work sheet (part VI, line 17) to verify it was entered.  If not, the alternate workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T. 

 

There's yet another (and simplest) work around. Manually calculate the taxable amount of scholarship and enter the 1098-T, on his return, with 0 in box 1 and the  taxable amount  in box 5. In that case be sure the amount in the  "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" box is 0.

 

 

 

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Ok, My situation is this: My Daughter (19 on May 2022) worked for the first 6.5 months to gather some money to help pay for her college. She earned about 16000. After that, she started full time college and she was even able to receive to aid to cover for the tuition. She received a form1098-T and, as far as I understand, she has to file taxes. I am including her as a dependent on my Taxes and I am adding the 1098-t she received. The aid she received cover the all tuition, but is not enough to cover for room and board. Should I include her 1098-T on my tax declaration or it would be better for her to include it on hers?

 

Now after I read your post it seems like we should both use it.

 

As per your example:

Using an example: Student has $9,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $6500 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2500 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $3000 of qualified expenses on their return.

Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $250 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $5750.

 

Also TT ask for room and board, in her case the expenses are 3000$, is that only used as information? I mean, does that has any effect on taxes?

 

Sorry, I have experience with TT, but this is a first time situation.

 

Thanks is advance for your help

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Please repost you follow up question at your original thread, to keep the discussion in one place.  

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/do-both-parent-and-dependent-chi...

 

 

MarilynG1
Employee Tax Expert

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Yes, as per your example, there is $2500 of taxable scholarship income to report (difference between larger amount in Box 5 and smaller amount in Box 1) .  In that case, the student would normally enter the 1098-T on her return to provide documentation for the taxable Scholarship amount (since she is required to file a return with a 16K W-2).  Room and board are only expenses against 529 distributions reported on 1099-Q.  She can also add her $250 in other education expenses. 

 

You are correct that if you did not pay any education expenses 'out of pocket' you would not qualify for the AOC (which was designed to help parents with expenses they paid for education), and you would have taxable scholarship income added to your return if you added the 1098-T as issued on your return.  

 

If you report as @Hal_Al suggests and add the taxable amount of Scholarship Income to the student's return while you claim 4K in Education Expenses, it's true that you may receive the $2000 AOC, but look at the bottom line in both returns to see what works best for you and how you feel about changing numbers on the 1098-T to report to the IRS to qualify for a credit. 

 

If you decide to report the 1098-T as issued, since you wouldn't qualify for AOC (and only a $500  Dependent Credit), plus taxable scholarship income, you could consider letting your student file as independent and not report any education expenses.  With a $12,950 Standard Deduction, her tax burden would be minimal. 

 

Here's detailed info on Qualified Education Expenses.   Here's an article on the American Opportunity Credit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Hi Marilyn, thanks for your prompt response. You wrote: 

If you report as @Hal_Al suggests and add the taxable amount of Scholarship Income to the student's return while you claim 4K in Education Expenses, it's true that you may receive the $2000 AOC, but look at the bottom line in both returns to see what works best for you and how you feel about changing numbers on the 1098-T to report to the IRS to qualify for a credit. 

Definitely I would be uncomfortable, and I am just trying to avoid a blunder on my declaration or hers. 

You also wrote: If you decide to report the 1098-T as issued, since you wouldn't qualify for AOC (and only a $500  Dependent Credit), plus taxable scholarship income, you could consider letting your student file as independent and not report any education expenses.  With a $12,950 Standard Deduction, her tax burden would be minimal. 

I had considered that, let her file as independent since she made 16k during the year (and her financial aid 8950, 6513 tuition, 3000 room and board and 600 other expenses like computer/tablet), but she is in on my 1095-A, so I think she needs to be on my report. Also she worked initially to gather some money for college (before college start) and she is not working now (at least not enough to meet the minimum income next year). Could I just not include her 1098-T on my report, and include it as it is on hers? Since I am not claiming AOC, would it be bad if the 1098-T is on both reports?

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

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Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Q. See how you feel about changing numbers on the 1098-T to report to the IRS to qualify for a credit. Definitely I would be uncomfortable, and I am just trying to avoid a blunder on my declaration or hers

A. Changing the numbers is just a short cut. You can get the same correct results by entering all the correct info and carefully following the TT interview. The short cuts only reduce the risk of mistakes. This discussion is getting long and is now spread over two threads.  I may now be  repeating info. The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. The  modified 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.

 

Q. I had considered that, let her file as independent.

A. That's not optional. If she qualifies as you dependent, she cannot claim her self. But If the student actually has a tax liability, there is a provision to allow her to claim a non-refundable tuition credit. But then the parent must forgo claiming the student as a dependent, and the $500 other dependent credit. At her income level, the family does not come out better doing that.

 

Q. Could I just not include her 1098-T on my report, and include it as it is on hers?

A. Yes, but it will cost your family about $2000. 

 

Q. Since I am not claiming AOC, would it be bad if the 1098-T is on both reports?

A. If you are not claiming the AOC, you  have not reason to enter the 1098-T on your return. The "bad" will only be the frustration dealing with the TT interview which will work to give you the AOC. 

 

I'll post another reply using your actual numbers. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

One more issue before I crunch the numbers.  You said " My Daughter (19 on May 2022) worked for the first 6.5 months to gather some money to help pay for her college. She earned about $16,000. After that, she started full time college.

 

When did she start college. It makes a big difference whether it was Sept or Aug. (unless she was still in high school earlier in the year).  

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19 (on 12-31-22), or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled

Starting anytime in August, even Aug. 31, meets the 5 month rule.  If she started in Sept, she cannot be you dependent, under the qualifying child rules and her income is too high under the qualifying relative rules. 

Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

$6513 + 600 = $7113 Qualified expenses. $8950 - 7113 = $1837 taxable scholarship before parent claims AOC.  $1837 + $4000 = $5837 amount of taxable scholarship with parent claiming maximum AOC.  Claiming only $2000 of tuition (instead of $4000) for the AOC is an option and reduces the AOC by only $500. 

 

See your other post for how to use short cuts to enter. Below is the long and complicated "correct" way. 

 

You can both use the 1098-T to enter the expenses. 

On your return, enter the 1098-T as received.  Later you will be asked how much of the scholarship was used for room & board. Enter $5837 (or 3837 for reduced AOC). Note the wording at that screen “or other expenses”. You didn’t have to literally use the scholarship for R&B. 

Enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return. Enter book expenses separately (include computer cost with books).  In her interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000  (or $2000). That will put all her excess scholarship as income on her return.  

Be advised, last year,  some people were saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s interview.  Check the student information work sheet (part VI, line 17) to verify it was entered.  If not, the alternate workaround is  to enter the taxable scholarship at the amount used for room and board screen.  Do not enter amounts at both the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen and the "amount used for room and board" screen.

 

 

 

 

 

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Hi again, and thanks for all your responses. I am still waiting some papers this week, once I receive them I will try what you mentioned.  Again Thanks for all your help, I will let you know once I run the scenarios.

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Sorry, I forgot to reply to this post. She started college on August 22 so I guess is ok. (I suppose the all rule is based on the fact that most colleges start fall semester on August). Thanks again

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Hi again Hal, I forgot to ask (for a future reference or for someone who could be in the same situation). If my daughter is on my 1095-A from 2022, she must be a dependent right?

 

I am asking because you were mentioning the rules for a child of a taxpayer to be a dependent, and she meets the criteria "full time student for at least 5 months of the year". But what would had happened if she would not have met it?

 

I am going to check the forum to see if this question has been made/answered under 1095-A topic.

 

Thanks again

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

As a parent, do I need to file his 1098T

Sorry, I'm not up on that issue.  If you don't find it on the search, you might post a new question.

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