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Hal_Al
Level 15

1099Q

"putting a 0" is the correct method.  Deleting the 1099-Q is one way to get TT to do that.  It also depends om whether you're using 2021 or 2019/2020 software to do the amended return. 

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

Thanks!  I believe TT only allows you to amend using the original tax year (i.e. amend 2020 with 2020 TT).  Are you a tax enthusiast or a professional?

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

Thanks for all of your help!

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

Now I get it!!!!  I just sat down to work on this.  TT won’t let you change the numbers on the form, which would be best, so deleting the 1099Q is the next option and it achieves the task.

EPBrent
Returning Member

1099Q

Sandy, I am in the same boat as you. That 1099Q form is too confusing. The tax software programs don't give you an intuitive place to enter the qualified expenditures. It should be right on that page where you enter the 1099Q. I thought by entering the 1098-T, that would take care of it. I need to amend my 2020 return. So you are thinking the best way to do this is just to delete it and write in the notes: I entered the 1099Q by mistake and it counted it as income when it is all a nontaxable qualified education expense? Then you just print the federal and state, sign, and send in? Then wait 16 weeks and see what happens?

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

For this year, you can add qualified educational expenses by the 1098T for the qualified educational expenses related to the 1099Q. BUT your ability to enter those expenses depends on the order in which you enter the 2 forms.  If you enter it with one order, there is no place to put those expenses under the 1098T but with the other order you can.  You have to play with both orders until it is finally possible.   Plus, you would think you would write the numbers in by the 1099Q but that is not the case.  Hopefully, they will fix the glitch.

For past years, you can amend the taxes by taking out the 1099Q.  I spoke with a tax attorney and this is what she suggested writing.  You can change the paragraph to just 2020 since that is the only year you need.  I hope this helps!

"There is a limitation to the TurboTax software that does not allow you to input qualified educational expenses related to 1099-Q distributions. As such, our 2019/2020 Form 1040 was incorrectly treating the distributions reported  on 1099-Q as Other Income and calculating a corresponding 10% penalty tax. 100% of the distributions reported on 1099-Q were used for qualified educational expenses. Due to this software limitation, we are amending our 2019/2020 Form 1040 to remove the incorrectly reported other income".

EPBrent
Returning Member

1099Q

Sandy, 

 

A few follow-up questions if you don't mind:

  1. First of all, TurboTax only gives me 166 characters to explain the reason for the amendment. That isn't close to enough for what you told me to put. Did you just include the explanation on a separate sheet of paper?
  2. Did you include any evidence of the qualified expenditures?
  3. What pages did you send to the IRS? Just the X ones or everything that TurboTax gives you to print?
  4. Going forward, I have seen where many people and even TurboTax responders saying that you don't need to even report the 1099-Q or 1098-T on your taxes. Thoughts?
  5. If you do include them on your taxes and claim your college child as a dependent and then file a separate return for them, can they take any of the credits like the American Opportunity credit, or is that considered double-dipping?

Thanks in advance!

 

Brent

 

RobertB4444
Expert Alumni

1099Q

@EPBrent-

 

1.  If you're going to use that explanation word-for-word then you will need to paper file the return with that explanation attached (or handwritten very carefully). 

2. Doesn't hurt to include copies (never originals!) of anything that you think will bolster your case - provided it doesn't add to much information to the return (think one to two pages max) and you won't implode if the IRS sends you a request later for the exact same information.

3. Any pages where the information has changed need to be submitted to the IRS.  That is for sure the 1040X and the 1040.  Could change the schedule A, could change any forms related to education expenses.  Include forms if you aren't sure.

4. You don't need to include 1099-Q if it was all used for education expenses and the education expenses are included on your tax return.  You don't need to include a 1098-T if you don't want the deduction or if you are income capped out of taking any deduction.

5. The only person who can claim education expenses (and education credits) is the person who claims the student.  If the student does not claim themselves they are not eligible to deduct education expenses or receive education credits.

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sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

Answers.

1.  When I put in the paragraph, there was a bunch of lines that looked like rectangles.  I broke the paragraph into segments that easily fit only each line and was easily readable.

2. I did not.  I was advised that it was not necessary.  

3.  For Federal, I included 1040X, 1040, Schedules 1,2, 3, and 8959.  I think For State, I included the state equivalent of the 1040x, State equivalent of 1040, Schedules 2,3,5,7, county and Federal 1040x.  Your states may be different.

4.  I have been told that you don’t need to but you are creating a better paper trail if you do.  It seems that it is not necessary but preferable.

5.  I don’t know the answer to that question.

sd2022
New Member

1099Q

I have the same experience.  First, I input 1099-Q, then followed with 1098-T and room & board expense (qualified education expenses).  My version of turbotax premier shows i owed $1,200, even though the amount in 1099-Q is exactly the same as tuition + room & board costs.  I am convinced that turbotax is wrong.  When i called turbotax supports, their suggestion is to talk to CPA.  

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

It is a known glitch within Turbotax.  The Turbotax community was unable to solve the issue for me.   I contacted a CPA which only bolstered my awareness of the glitch but it did not really resolve the issue.  Ultimately, I wrote to the Intuit CEO and I finally received the support I needed to fix this years taxes and my last 2 years of taxes.  It was a shame that I needed to elevate the issue to that level but it was the only way to fix the issue.

 

Having said that, I think the pragmatic fix is to remove both the 1099Q and the 1098T.  If you re-enter the 1098T first followed by the 1099Q the issue does not seem to happen.  I too originally entered the 1099Q first because I received that form first and for all of the other forms it does not matter the order in which they were entered.  I was assured that Turbotax was going to work to resolve this issue but not in time for this tax season.  I encouraged them to email customers regarding this issue and to explain the work around but they evidently did not take my advise.

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099Q

Yes, there's a glitch in TT. It does not "sense" that you do not qualify for a tuition credit so it allocates expenses to the credit (sometimes $4000 but usually $10,000, sometimes all your 1098-T box 1 amount).

 

The 1099-Q and the  1098-T are only an informational documents. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your (or your student's) tax return.

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

 

If you feel more comfortable having TT produce the work sheet, there are some things you can try:

Go through the education section again. Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary".  Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Education Information”. When you get to the screen titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”, verify the amount you want to use or change it.

 

Instead, in the education interview, you may reach a screen titled "Choosing a larger education Credit". Verify that TT has entered $10,000 (the amount needed to get the maximum LLC) in the box on that page. In your case, change it to 0.

 

PLAN C.  On the Student Information Worksheet (abbreviated Student Info Wk on the forms list), go to part VI and change line 17 (“Used for credit”) to 4000. Make the change in the first column.  That will automatically change the other columns.

 

Look at the Student Information worksheet  (abbreviated Student Info Wk on the forms list).  Go to part VI, which will show how the expenses were allocated.  The 1099-Q worksheet will show how the taxable amount was calculated.

Most people come out better (much better),  first using QEE for the tuition Credit. The American Opportunity credit is 100% of the first $2000 of QEE and 25% of the next $2000.  Usually, you want to set that box "Education expenses used for a tax credit or deduction" to $4000. 

Another possibility is that you had scholarships that TurboTax allocated some of the expenses to.   To make some of the scholarship taxable (re-allocate some of the expenses), you must tell TT how much you want taxable by saying it was used for room &board. Note the wording at that screen “or other expenses”. You didn’t have to literally use the scholarship for R&B.

 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

sandy613
Returning Member

1099Q

I followed all of the advice stated above but multiple sources outside of the TT community said that simply not including the forms, although acceptable, is not preferable.  You do not need to do all those steps.  Just remove the forms and change the order that you enter the information.  If you are like me and did not notice this glitch in previous years, you will need to amend those years as well.  Not fun!

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099Q

I find just the opposite to be true: you enter the 1099-Q before entering the 1098-T, otherwise TT will not give you the screen to enter room & board (R&B are only qualified for a QTP/ESA/529). 

EPBrent
Returning Member

1099Q

Sandy,

 

I am just checking in to see if you ever got payment or heard anything back from the IRS after you amended your returns? I got my state check in about 3 weeks, but haven't heard or seen anything from the IRS. I know they are extremely backed up, but you amended yours several weeks before me, so I thought I would check in with you.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Brent

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