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grandfathered debt- mortgages incurred b/4 10/14/87
1) all interest on debt secured by a main or second home is fully deductible.
2) pre 10/14/87 debt reduces the limit that applies for additional acquisition debt incurred after 10/13/87
3) I assume there was no refi of this grandfathered debt - if so other rules apply
worksheet to figure deductible interest
1) the total of the average current year balance of all grandfathered debt
2) total of the average of the current year balances home acquisition debt - not grandfathered
3) $1,000,000 ($500,000 if MFS) for indebtedness incurred on or before 12/15/17; $750,000 ($375,000 if MFS) for indebtedness incurred after 12/15/2017
4) the larger of 1) or 3)
5) add the amounts on 1) and 2)
6) enter the smaller of 4 or 5 - this is your qualified loan limit
7) enter the total of the average balance of all mortgages (normally 1) and 2))
however if 6) is less than 7) go to 😎
if 6) is more than 7) STOP all interest of the mortgages on 7) is deductible
😎 enter the total interest paid on qualifying mortgages (those on line 7)
9) divide the on 6) by 7) enter the result to 3 decimal places (should be less than 1.000)
10) multiply 😎 by 9) this is the deductible home mortgage interest
I think you tried to use the title area to explain and that section is limited to 170 characters........ only the mortgages taken out prior to 2017 are grandfathered... look at the form on page 12 - it's pretty easy to work through and will explain what is deductible...
otherwise, please explain your details again....
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p936.pdf
Yes, I mistakenly used the message area ;(
Read publication 936 and it is not helpful. Here is my issue
1. Full year - Owned a vacation home, average for the year 57, 600 - mortgage interest 5744/yr. Didn't have a primary home since <i was living in an appt while my home was being built - LOAN 1
2. Bought a home May 4th - Loan total 632,000. Made payments and sold July 31st - mortgage interest 4900 for those 3 months. LOAN 2
3. relocated and Bought Home 8/1 - loan total 960,000 and still own it - mortgage interest is $7650. -LOAN 3
Total mortgage interest paid is 18290 and turbo tax calculates a little over 10,300 and am not sure the math behind that.
I´ve done it 2 different ways and got 2 different values:
I did an average balance per month by adding the statements. So Jan through April loan 1, May through Jul loan 1 and loan 2, and Aug through Dec Loan 1 and 3.
Option 1: I sum it all and divide by 12 it says my average balance is 612,000, below the 750,000 therefore all deductible
Option 2: Also add the mortgage interest for all loans each month, then take the ratio of 750000 to the monthly loan balances and adjust the monthly mortgage interest - then add them all up - that will say about 15200 is deductible. Im ignoring that LOAN 1 can be 1million vs 750K
Option 3 is what turbo tax is doing which I haven't figured out ow they got there
thanks for the response!
LOAN 1 | LOAN 2 | Loan 3 | Net | Interest | Deductible | |
Jan | 58727 | 0 | 0 | 58727 | 492 | 492 |
Feb | 58407 | 0 | 0 | 58407 | 489 | 489 |
Mar | 58012 | 0 | 0 | 58012 | 486 | 486 |
Apr | 57555 | 0 | 0 | 57555 | 0 | |
May | 57099 | 632214 | 0 | 689313 | 2475 | 2475 |
Jun | 56809 | 631152 | 0 | 687961 | 476 | 476 |
Jul | 56746 | 630087 | 0 | 686833 | 3730 | 3730 |
Aug | 56640 | 0 | 958130 | 1014770 | 473 | 349 |
Sep | 56587 | 0 | 956257 | 1012844 | 2272 | 1682 |
Oct | 56433 | 0 | 954381 | 1010814 | 2269 | 1684 |
Nov | 56429 | 0 | 952500 | 1008929 | 2265 | 1684 |
Dec | 56466 | 0 | 950617 | 1007083 | 2247 | 1673 |
AVG | 612604 | 17673 | 15220 | |||
Option 1 | Option 2 |
I think your option 1 is the same as the 1st example that the IRS displays beginning on the left column bottom of page 13. They say to take the interest for EACH mortgage and divide by the annual interest rate to get the average mortgage balance. That is effectively the same thing as using zeros in the months the mortgage wasn't outstanding, which is the way you attacked it. the IRS approach and your approach are a little different, but I would be surprised if it materially different. Does the IRS get you to under $750,000 this year, I bet it does!
this is at the bottom of page 13 and it continues to the middle column with an example.
Interest paid divided by interest rate
method. You can use this method if at all times
in 2019 the mortgage was secured by your
qualified home and the interest was paid at
least monthly.
let me know what happens!
thanks for your reply!
No it is different for several reasons - that calculation is to determine the average mortgage balance, I already have that value - what I need to understand is how to calculate the mortgage interest that is deductible. Also, it assumes I owned the home the entire year, and I didn't. I am sure I am not the only one that has seen this but pub 960 is not useful for this situation
For some odd reason turbotax has now reduced the amount even more so giving me the standard deduction. Of the 18300 paid in mortgage interest I have 3 different values:
1. Turbo tax at about 8400
2. Average mortgages which then all 18300 is deductible, and saves me significant $$
3. Average the mortgage interest and calculate based on the ratio each month, about 15000 is deductible
Following pub 960 with the method proposed on then ottom of page 13 left, interest paid by interest rate method yields different numbers however is consistent with Option 1 where 100% is deductible. Not sure how to modify turbo tax given multiple 1098's though.
if it is all deductible, does it matter? as long as you have your calculations on how you did it (should you ever get audited), I would just make it work (change the loan balances so it works).
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