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We signed a contract to build a shed and gave them 81,000 to start the construction. That never happened and the company is in default and we are suing them. Can we take a loss on taxes for the 81,000 and lawyer fees?
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not likely. you have a theft loss. under the tax laws passed effective from 2018-2025 theft and other types of casualty losses, except PONZI type schemes, are not deductible. your lawyer should be able to confirm this.
I disagree, however the actual answer is “not yet.”
If this is a theft loss, it is not deductible, as stated.
If this is a non-business bad debt, then it is a deductible capital loss on schedule D, but it is only deductible when the loss is realized and all reasonable efforts at collection have failed. If you are in the process of suing the contractor, all reasonable steps to collect the debt have not yet failed. You would have to sue the contractor, win in court, place the debt in collections, and then be unable to collect, such as because the contractor goes bankrupt. You can then deduct the amount of your loss on schedule D. As a capital loss, you can deduct up to the amount of your capital gains during the year, plus $3000. If you don’t have other capital gains, such as from the sale of stocks or mutual funds, then you will only be able to deduct $3000 per year and can carry the remaining debt forward year over year until you use it up.
Also, your legal expenses are not deductible, only the amount of the capital loss.
The distinction between a bad debt and a theft loss is tricky. In the past, it was possible to deduct most of the theft loss in the year the theft occurred, while a bad debt may only be deducted up to the amount of capital gains plus$3000, so taxpayers often preferred to take a theft loss instead of a bad debt loss. This led to some audits and some rulings on the concept of theft versus bad debt. Now the situation is turned around because theft losses are disallowed but bad debts are still allowed. I think the key here is that you were in a legitimate business relationship with the contractor. Presumably this is a legitimate contractor that actually did complete some work for some people and then fell on hard times, or had mismanagement issues, or supplier issues, and their business failed. It’s not as though somebody came onto your property and stole an uninsured car out of your driveway. This was a legitimate business arrangement that failed. (I suppose there is a chance that if you are audited, and the IRS can show that this was never a legitimate contractor, and he breezed into town and signed a bunch of contracts and collected a bunch of money and left, and was eventually arrested and convicted on criminal theft charges, that the IRS could prove this was a nondeductible theft loss. You would have to consider all the facts and circumstances before you take the bad debt loss.)
But as I stated, a bad debt can’t be deducted until the debt is completely worthless and all reasonable collection efforts have failed.
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc453
Actually what you stated at the end in the parenthesis in the second to last paragraph is exactly what happened unfortunately. Is there any way we can deduct it?
A theft is the taking and removal of money or property with the intent to deprive the owner of it. The taking must be illegal under the law of the state where it occurred and must have been done with criminal intent. The amount of your theft loss is generally the adjusted basis of your property because the fair market value of your property immediately after the theft is considered to be zero.
you can see why even deducting your loss if there was a business purpose for the shed could be difficult or impossible to sustain if the IRS were to question it. I'm not a lawyer but the key words are "illegal" and "criminal intent". if you wish to pursue deducting your loss consult a tax lawyer.
If this was clearly theft of personal property (not part of a business you run) then the deduction was removed by the 2017 tax law changes.
(It would be interesting to think about the tax position where you thought you were engaging in a legitimate business arrangement, but the other person intended it to be theft all along. If you believed it was a legitimate business arrangement, would you be able to consider it a deductible bad debt? That would be a matter for a CPA or enrolled agent — an accountant specifically admitted to practice before the IRS. For this amount of money, you might want a professional consultation.)
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