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I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

 
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AnnetteB
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I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

No. 

Since the information is entered for each home office separately, it would seem that the question should be answered with only one home office in mind at a time.  However, as you are entering the second home office it is more apparent that the total of time spent in each office must not exceed 100%. 

In your case, since your home office was used 100% of the time for your income, you will pro-rate the 100% between the two offices based on the amount of time you lived at each home. 

For the case of someone who used their office less than 100% of the time for their business, the percent would need to be prorated first based on the amount of time living in each home, and then by the amount of time spent working in the office. 


[edited 1/27/18 | 1:17 pm PST]

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AnnetteB
Intuit Alumni

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

No. 

Since the information is entered for each home office separately, it would seem that the question should be answered with only one home office in mind at a time.  However, as you are entering the second home office it is more apparent that the total of time spent in each office must not exceed 100%. 

In your case, since your home office was used 100% of the time for your income, you will pro-rate the 100% between the two offices based on the amount of time you lived at each home. 

For the case of someone who used their office less than 100% of the time for their business, the percent would need to be prorated first based on the amount of time living in each home, and then by the amount of time spent working in the office. 


[edited 1/27/18 | 1:17 pm PST]

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

Okay, because it's not letting me move on from the page with both being 100%
AnnetteB
Intuit Alumni

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

My mistake.  I entered a test situation and see the same problem you are seeing.  Until the second home office is entered it is not apparent.  You will need to prorate your 100% to the two offices based on the amount of time you lived in each home so that the total is 100.  I will amend the answer shown above to reflect the change.

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

Okay, but then a page or two later, I have to split up the expenses for the year between the two offices, so is it double-prorating it?
AnnetteB
Intuit Alumni

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

Not based on my test case.  As you go through the expenses for each home office, you should already be prorating any expense that incurred over the course of the year based on the time you lived in each home.

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

It looks to me like it already knows how long I lived in each home from the dates I entered, but it is incorrect to say I used 50% for business at each home, when I used 100% for business at each home.  This does not sound right.

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

I am in the same situation, and I want to confirm that this is true. If I had a home office for half the year then moved my home office to a different location for the other half of the year, would the percentage of business conducted in the home offices be split 50%-50%, even though 100% of business was conducted at each location?
AnnetteB
Intuit Alumni

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

Just to clarify a bit further.  The question is asking you to enter the "percentage of time" you spend conducting business at the home office.  Over the course of the year, you cannot spend 200% of your time divided among two offices.  Therefore, the total spread over the two offices must equal 100% for the case where all of your business is conducted from the home office.  It is prorated between the two offices based on the months you lived in each home.  The total will be less than 100% if you do work at other business locations in addition to the home office.

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

Edited: This is the proper answer. First off, the % time must add up to no more than 100%, prorated between the two offices.  But there's more than that.  TT, at least the 2015 version, will NOT calculate the home office deduction correctly unless you take additional steps.  I noticed that when I entered 25% and 75% for my home offices (prorated) for a year when I moved, TT disallowed the total deduction for the 25% office and marked it as carryover.  However, the total income for the year minus expenses should have easily allowed the entire home office deduction.  But putting in 25% makes TT severely limit the allowed deduction because TT takes 25% of gross income and then subtracts ALL of the business expenses for the year (instead of just 25%), which then may not allow any leftover overhead for the home office deduction. (Business expenses cannot exceed income or the home office deduction will not be allowed. For example, if income is 150,000 and expenses are 100,000, entering 25% in the time in office field will calculate an income of 37,500 (25%), but then TT will subtract the entire 100,000 in expenses instead of 25,000. This improperly leaves no room for home office deduction for that office.) Technically, under a 'moved during the year' scenario, TT should calculate 25% of the gross income AND 25% of the total deductions in this scenario, not 100%, but it doesn't...... that is, until the final error checks where it finds blank line 7's on the forms.   If a taxpayer has *one* home office for the year, but just changed addresses, this is different than a taxpayer that has 2 separate home offices for the year, which is the way TT always calculates it, and I'm not so sure that's correct because TT automatically assumes the balance of admin work outside of that office is at a non-deductible location and it shouldn't assume that.  
To correct this, populate the % time in each office fields correctly with proration (yes, it TOTALS 100%), then go to forms view, forms 8829 (one for each home office) and look for line 7 which will be blank. Take the % time for that office and multiply it by line 6, which are the total expenses for the business. For instance, if the % time in that office is 25%, multiply line 6 by 0.25 and put the resulting number on line 7.  Do the same for the other home office(s).  TT will then properly calculate the allowed home office deduction. Even better, TT should reprogram their software to account for this phenomenon natively to properly calculate line 7 if they have not done so already. 
And by the way, for years TT has been telling business owners that if 50% of their business is in the field, such as a plumber who is working in people's homes 50% of the time, they should put the home office business use as 50%. This is incorrect. What the IRS wants here is the percentage of ADMINISTRATIVE work for the business conducted in the home office, which is 100%.  I cannot tell you how much money I lost over the years because of this mislead from TT.  Here is what the IRS publication says: "John is a self-employed plumber. Most of John's time is spent at customers' homes and offices installing and repairing plumbing. He has a small office in his home that he uses exclusively and regularly for the ADMINISTRATIVE OR MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES of his business, such as phoning customers, ordering supplies, and keeping his books." You're welcome.

I moved during the year, but earned 100% of my income from home offices. When it ask me the percentage of business conducted in home offices, is it 100% at each office?

I think TurboTax is calculating the Home Office deduction incorrectly when you move because it doesn't allow you to specify the 100% business conduct in each of them when it's actually 100%. Please see this post for details: https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/warning-turbotax-2019-incorrectl...

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