I just started an HSA account in January 2019.
I had the option to put money in for 2018.
So for this example lets say on January 20, 2019, I put in max $6900 for the 2018 tax year and max contribution of $7000 for 2019 tax year.
I recently found out that my health insurance deductible in 2018 was too low to qualify for the deductible, months after I put the money in.
I have not done my 2018 tax return yet. I figured I would just not claim any HSA contributions for 2018 and take the money out of my HSA. I haven't taken any deductions for 2018, so I don't know if I would have to pay any penalty. My HSA says if I do this they are going to have to report the withdrawl on my 2019 tax statement. I havent been able to find an answer that addresses this scenario. I would think that i can take it out and would have to pay tax on any interest income for that portion I incorrectly put in for 2018, because I never took any deductions yet.
Thanks for your help.
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In the 2018 program you will enter the contribution then continue to report it was not allowed and that you would remove the excess but not before the 10/15/19 deadline so the proper penalty is calculated. Then on the 2019 return you will mention the removal of the excess after you enter the 1099-R you will get in January ... follow the interview screens carefully.
The HSA is handled in 3 parts in the TT program :
First the contribution:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/4557768
https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/4785646
Next the limitations screen to confirm you are eligible to make the contributions:
Until you complete the HSA portion of the TurboTax interview to establish your eligibility for an HSA contribution, TurboTax will treat the amount entered on the W-2 form as an excess HSA contribution.
https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/4788059
And lastly any distribution:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/4787864
what about the deductible for 2019? if you don't have a qualifying deductible, you have an excess contribution for 2019. it needs to be taken out including income by 4/15/20 or 10/15/20 if you extend your 2019 return
Unfortunately, the deadline to be able to obtain a return of excess contribution made for 2018 before the due date of your 2018 tax return has passed. Assuming that you made this contribution personally and not thorugh your employer, you do not get a deduction on your 2018 tax return for this contribution. Your 2018 tax return must also include Form 5329 Part VII to calculate and pay the 6%, $414 excess contribution penalty for 2018.
As for correcting the $6,900 excess contribution, because you've already made a $7,000 contribution for 2017 it's not clear if you are permitted to apply the $6,900 carried into the 2019 tax year as part of your 2019 contribution so that you can treat $6,900 of your $7,000 contributed for 2019 as an excess contribution for 2019 and obtain a $6,900 explicit return of excess contribution before the due date of your 2019 tax return (not a regular distribution); only actual excess contributions for the current tax year are permitted to be returned this way. The alternative that would certainly be acceptable to the IRS would be to simply take a regular taxable (not claimed as applied to medical expenses) distribution of $6,900 which would resolve the excess carried in from 2018 but would on your 2019 tax return be subject to ordinary income tax and a 20% early-distribution penalty on top of that if you are under age 65 (which is likely for someone presently making HSA contributions) ... very expensive. A return of contribution would instead only require that the $6,900 be accompanied by the associated investment gains on the $7,000 contribution and only the distributed gains would be subject to income tax. (Of course you would also not receive any deduction on your 2019 tax return for the portion of the 2019 contribution returned.)
my health care plan does quailify for 2019
wow , thanks for the help. So lets break this down:
Your 2018 tax return must also include Form 5329 Part VII to calculate and pay the 6%, $414 excess contribution penalty for 2018.
I did make the contribution personally
I did not yet do my 2018 taxes. So it seems pretty unfair that if I obtained no economic benefit by putting the money into the HSA that I should have to pay a penalty. I agree that if I took the 2018 deduction, there should be a penalty to withdraw, but I owe penalty even if I don't take the deduction? Do i owe the penalty if I do not take the deduction and just leave it in there? If so that seems logically crazy. There is not benefit to me from taking money from a savings, to an HSA and getting no tax benefit and only limiting myself to what I can spend it on and then paying a 6% penalty. I understand I would owe income tax on any gains. unless the penalty is just there to give be incentive to be more careful.
As for correcting the $6,900 excess contribution, because you've already made a $7,000 contribution for 2017 it's not clear if you are permitted to apply the $6,900 carried into the 2019 tax year as part of your 2019 contribution so that you can treat $6,900 of your $7,000 contributed for 2019 as an excess contribution for 2019 and obtain a $6,900 explicit return of excess contribution before the due date of your 2019 tax return (not a regular distribution); only actual excess contributions for the current tax year are permitted to be returned this way.
In response to this, when I logged in to create the HSA account in January of 2019, the default box was 2018, so i deposited it in 2018, thinking it was 2019. Later realizing I did not deposit it for 2019, I again deposited the $7000 max money with the box checked for 2019. Lively says the follwing underlined section:
Since the tax deadline for 2018 has passed, your 2018 full contribution of $6900 has been reported in our tax reporting for the 2018 tax year.
As such, from here we can issue an excess contribution withdrawal for $6900 to reverse the funds back to your bank account. This excess contribution withdrawal will be reported associated with the current tax year of 2019.
So i do not think that I can just change the january 6900 deposit and rename it to 2019, then remove 6900 for 2019 as excess because it has already been reported for 2018. But if I could that would be great.
The alternative that would certainly be acceptable to the IRS would be to simply take a regular taxable (not claimed as applied to medical expenses) distribution of $6,900 which would resolve the excess carried in from 2018 but would on your 2019 tax return be subject to ordinary income tax and a 20% early-distribution penalty on top of that if you are under age 65 (which is likely for someone presently making HSA contributions) ... very expensive. A return of contribution would instead only require that the $6,900 be accompanied by the associated investment gains on the $7,000 contribution and only the distributed gains would be subject to income tax. (Of course you would also not receive any deduction on your 2019 tax return for the portion of the 2019 contribution returned.)
Paying 20% seems like a waste of money. and i want the deduction for 2019.
when you say i"t's not clear if you are permitted to apply the $6,900 carried into the 2019 tax year as part of your 2019 contribution" how can i make it clear? i called the IRS and they don't take phone calls.
The excess contribution penalty is for failing to correct an excess contribution before the deadline for making such a correction. It's necessary to prevent one from making a contribution to an HSA, allowing that money earn investment gains while in the HSA, then be able make a corrective distribution at some point in the future while being able to leave the earnings in the account.
An HSA custodian has no way to know if you are eligible to contribute to an HSA for a particular year or not. Because the IRS requires that an HSA contribution that is not explicitly designated as being for the prior year must be treated as a current-year contribution, some custodians apparently provide an explicit indication on their contribution form to override the IRS default and have the custodian's own default for newly opened accounts indicate that the contribution is for the prior year.
In no way was I suggesting that the contribution for 2018 could be changed to a contribution for 2019. However, one of the ways explicitly permitted under the tax code that an excess contribution for 2018 can be corrected after October 15, 2019 and having paid the 6% excess contribution penalty for 2018 is to treat the excess as part of your contribution for 2019. You do this without any involvement from the HSA custodian. Had you not already contributed $7,000 for 2019, this would easily be the best corrective action to take. However, you have contributed $7,000 for 2019. You need to decide if the IRS will agree that it is acceptable to consider the $6,900 excess applied to your 2019 contribution, thus making $6,900 of your $7,000 contributed and designated for 2019 as being a new excess contribution that you have until the due date of your 2019 tax return to correct. With this approach you would obtain a return of $6,900 of your contribution made for 2019, not a return of the $6,900 contribution made for 2018. If the IRS disagrees that this is acceptable, the distribution would be considered to be a distribution which is taxable and which is subject to a 20% early-distribution penalty for being under age 65 at the time of the distribution, but at least it would resolve the excess contribution so that you would not have an additional 6% excess contribution penalty each year that the excess remains in the account at year end. About the only way I can think of to make it clear is to obtain a return of excess contribution of $6,900 of your $7,000 contribution made for 2019, file your 2019 tax return reporting with the result being that your 2019 Form 5329 would show:
Line 42 = $6,900
Line 43 = $6,900
Line 45 = $6,900
Line 46 = $0
Line 47 = $0
Line 48 = $0
Line 49 = $0
Your Form 8889 would show:
Line 2 = $100
Line 13 = $7,000
which TurboTax will do for you which implies that the IRS might accept this approach. The $7,000 will appear as your HSA deduction.
The reason that line 13 is less than line 2 will require an explanation statement to be provided. You should probably also provide explanation for the code 2 Form 1099-SA that you will receive for obtaining the return of $6,900 of your $7,000 contribution for 2019. TurboTax does not prompt you to prepare either of these explanations. You'll need to prepare them separately and include them with your mailed tax return.
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