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They list the room and board and then an ALF fee(which I did deduct). The question is, since he was discharged from the hospital on the condition of going to the facility(with hired supervision), does that mean the entire facility cost could be deducted(at least for a while).
@Stevehofwa wrote:
Ok, I’m actually looking into amending a return. My father(86) suffered a breakdown and tried to kill himself. Went to the hospital for a while, and then was moved to an assisted living facility from his home, where we hired people to watch him for a few weeks, on the advice of the hospital physician. Things settled down, but he remained at the assisted living facility with some hired help/supervision until his death(natural) the next year. In the year if the incident, the home health aide costs were deducted, as well as the fee the assisted facility charged for monitoring medications, etc, which was extra. He did not require bathing help, help eating, bathroom, etc., and we hired the health aides to assist otherwise. Is all or part of the assisted living room and board deductible?
What a tough situation.
Firstly, you can only deduct medical expenses that you paid if your father was your tax dependent, or he could have been your tax dependent because you paid more than half his total support, and the reason he is disqualified from being a tax dependent is that his taxable income was over $4300. Your father could deduct medical expenses he paid himself on his tax returns, including his final tax return that you or someone else would have prepared for him the year he died.
You can also only deduct expenses in the year you paid them. If you paid expenses over 2 years, they would go on two different tax returns. And whether you get an actual tax benefit depends on your total financial circumstances.
Now, what is a deductible medical expense in this situation?
If a person is in a nursing home primarily for medical services, the entire cost is a deductible medical expense. That's not the case here.
If a person is in assisted living, only nursing services are deductible. Nursing services don't have to be provided by a nurse, but they have to be the kind of services that nurses perform (like dispensing medication, assistance with dressing, eating, toileting, and so on). The facility would have to provide a breakdown for you. Costs for room and board, laundry, and other things are not deductible.
However, if your father was "chronically ill" then the entire cost of assisted living can be counted as a medical expense. Chronically ill in this case would mean that:
Where you might have a problem is the "cognitive impairment" part of the regulation. Just being an ornery son-of-a-gun probably isn't enough, and the regulation specifies "cognitive impairment" and not general psychological conditions like depression. But maybe he had or was suspected of having some type of organic brain illness that changed his personality, like one of the dementias (and there are many types, not just AD). You may want to discuss the situation with his physician or the medical or social services staff at the facility.
@Stevehofwa wrote:
They list the room and board and then an ALF fee(which I did deduct). The question is, since he was discharged from the hospital on the condition of going to the facility(with hired supervision), does that mean the entire facility cost could be deducted(at least for a while).
No. There is a specific rule for assisted living facilities that is fairly recent, see my other answer in full.
Thanks for the advice. I think it was mostly depression, although his death certificate cites Alzheimer’s, but I don’t think he had an official diagnosis(passed the memory tests), had a lot of neuropathy,and certainly ornery(broke his hip, shoulder while he was there). But, still, suicidal ideation got him into the place. We aggressively deducted the health aides, maybe not a good idea to invite an audit. Unfortunately, running out of time to amend, just thinking that it may have been a mistake not to try to deduct it all.
@Stevehofwa wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I think it was mostly depression, although his death certificate cites Alzheimer’s, but I don’t think he had an official diagnosis(passed the memory tests), had a lot of neuropathy,and certainly ornery(broke his hip, shoulder while he was there). But, still, suicidal ideation got him into the place. We aggressively deducted the health aides, maybe not a good idea to invite an audit. Unfortunately, running out of time to amend, just thinking that it may have been a mistake not to try to deduct it all.
If audited (most people aren't) it will depend on your ability to convince the examiner. A person can have cognitive impairment without identifying a specific biological explanation, and suicidal ideation is a recognized factor in AD and other dementias. It would all come down to your documentation (diagnosis and written care plan).
Still going over this. No Doctors note saying he is chronically I’ll. Plenty of Psych visits, ended up a week in the psych ward after hip fracture. Looking at ALF(assisted living facility) care plan(only have one from 2018, I think the 2017 one was the same but having a little trouble obtaining it), able to eat, transfer, toilet, dress(they helped lay out clothing), bathe(sometimes with help from hired aide-), incontinent(they ordered supplies but otherwise did not assist). So could be said to need assistance with 2 or 3 activities of daily living, but not sure if they are “substantial”. What is the downside of trying-maybe concerned that deduction for caregivers already taken can’t be proven to be “medically justified”-
@Stevehofwa wrote:
Still going over this. No Doctors note saying he is chronically I’ll. Plenty of Psych visits, ended up a week in the psych ward after hip fracture. Looking at ALF(assisted living facility) care plan(only have one from 2018, I think the 2017 one was the same but having a little trouble obtaining it), able to eat, transfer, toilet, dress(they helped lay out clothing), bathe(sometimes with help from hired aide-), incontinent(they ordered supplies but otherwise did not assist). So could be said to need assistance with 2 or 3 activities of daily living, but not sure if they are “substantial”. What is the downside of trying-maybe concerned that deduction for caregivers already taken can’t be proven to be “medically justified”-
If you are audited and the deduction is denied, you will owe back taxes plus a penalty and interest. I'm not sure you meet the requirements to deduct the entire cost of the assisted living facility, that's a risk you will have to take. You can certainly deduct the psych visits and inpatient care, and a portion of the assisted living facility that is related to the ADLs.
Thanks for your response, I think you are likely right. I did deduct all other costs(home aides-which was expensive, assisted living fee-any ALF help beyond room and board-this was broken out in the bill, and any other medical costs-like insurance prescriptions dental hearing aid etc). Sounds like you really need a clear statement of need(“chronically I’ll”). Probably should have pushed for something like that at the time, had I known.
I gather the risk would be questioning deductions already taken, especially the home aides, which might be difficult to prove were always medical. Other than that, I guess the worst is the amendment is would be denied(since it would be claiming a refund)? It does appear to be a stretch at best. Also, probably would have been better to claim initially, as the amendment I gather is always examined by a person, and I can’t imagine they would refund 6k without any follow up.
@Stevehofwa wrote:
I gather the risk would be questioning deductions already taken, especially the home aides, which might be difficult to prove were always medical. Other than that, I guess the worst is the amendment is would be denied(since it would be claiming a refund)? It does appear to be a stretch at best. Also, probably would have been better to claim initially, as the amendment I gather is always examined by a person, and I can’t imagine they would refund 6k without any follow up.
I don't know that amended returns are always examined by a person, certainly a data entry clerk has to type them in since they can't be e-filed, but I don't know what the IRS does with them after that. You have to write a brief explanation, you could say they were medical expenses that were overlooked in the original return.
As of today, you could claim a refund on an amended 2018, 2019 or 2020 return, but not earlier years.
Certainly, if someone decides to audit the amended return they could also look at the original deductions, but I don't know how those decisions are made.
Actually, it could still be filed because the original was filed on 10/8 with an extension.
It’s just that with the additional deductions that the itemized level would be quite high, and so I’m wondering if the response would be to provide details for all medical expenses.
Plus, I dont think the idea will actually fly, and I don’t currently have documents that support this(the documents in that time period appear to be lost).
@Stevehofwa wrote:
Actually, it could still be filed because the original was filed on 10/8 with an extension.
I believe that was e-filed.
Only 2019 and 2020 amended returns can be e-filed currently. Other years must be printed and mailed.
For a 2017 tax return, you could file an amended return up to October 15, 2021, as long as you had an extension in 2018.
If your tax return is picked for examination, they can examine anything, from a single line to the entire tax return. They certainly might examine all your medical expenses and not just the new expenses, but there is no way I could predict one way or the other. Generally, fewer than 1% of tax returns are audited.
If you are actually talking about a 2017 tax return, there are some interesting provisions with respect to the statute of limitations. While the IRS can take their time to decide whether or not to grant the additional refund, they may only get a 60 day extension on the statute of limitations to assess new tax. That essentially means that they couldn't assess additional tax past December 15 even if they did audit your original medical expense deduction and found them inappropriate. (Although they could deny the additional refund.). Note I am not an attorney. And if you are talking about a 2018 return, the statute is not up until April 15, 2022.
You also have not really said if these expenses were paid by your father and you are planning to file amended returns for a deceased person, or if you paid the expenses and are claiming the deduction on your return. That may or may not change the likelihood of audit as well.
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