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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

How do I determine sales price(business portion only) for a vehicle that was primary used for business but also my personal vehicle? I have retail buyers order from where truck was traded in but do not know what value to use.

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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

The sale price of the vehicle you traded in would be the amount they reduced the purchased vehicle by. If your new car is $50,000 and you paid $40,000, the trade in is $10,000.

Sounds like you have been taking depreciation as opposed to mileage. The traded vehicle is probably fully depreciated so you would have a $10,000 gain on the trade-in. Then you can depreciate the new vehicle from $50,000.

Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

We did take mileage deduction over depreciation method. So I don’t understand why it’s asking for depreciation values of mileage for prior years ( not 2021) in category for business portion expense for mileage depreciation ( states to multiply rate given by number miles deducted in 2020) and the ask for AMT business  portion expense for prior year  . This screen is not understood cause in end is showing a gain. This was simply a vehicle that we bought personally in 2019 that in 2020 August began using as personal and business and continued to use for personal and business in 2021 until traded in on 7/2021

Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

If you took milage, then you do not do anything with the deprecation question.  Depreciation is built into the mileage rate.  Either put zero or leave it blank.  Zero might give you an error.  If it does, then leave that field blank.

ThomasM125
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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

TurboTax is asking for depreciation on the vehicle since that will affect the gain or loss on the sale of it. When you use the mileage allowance, depreciation is factored into that. So, it is the same as deducting depreciation. Since you get a deduction for the cost of the vehicle through depreciation, you can't deduct the full cost of the vehicle when you sell it, so you need to adjust the cost by the depreciation taken. Otherwise, you would be deducting the cost of the vehicle twice, once through depreciation and again when you sell the vehicle. 

 

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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

Exactly how do you determine depreciation amount on a vehicle when you have only taken mileage?  Is there a formula to determine that amount?
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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

You multiply the business mileage claimed each year by a factor specific to each year and then add them together. Here is a table of the factors:

 

So for 2020, if your business mileage was 5,000 miles, your depreciation for that year would be $1,350 (5,000 x .27)

 

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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

Thank you Thomas, this is so helpful.  @ThomasM125 

TEThoughts
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Determining sales price of vehicle traded in

This is helpful when a business vehicle is disposed of early, before the minimum five year time period required when claiming a business vehicle.

 

In this case when a business vehicle is sold, converted to less than 50% business use, or otherwise disposed before it is claimed for five years as a business expense, then depreciation recapture is needed. This will require some manual calculation and the formula above is great for those who took standard mileage only. 

 

 

 

Mileage claimed each year includes a small amount of depreciation. This must then be recaptured if business use ended before five years. Other ways to claim vehicles such as specific expenses, bonus depreciation, and Section 179 deductions include a larger depreciation amount, and a more complex calculation.

 

Only use the simple formula listed here if mileage, called SMR was selected each year in writing on the prior returns. The fifth year claimed will meet the requirements, so a maximum of three prior year returns are in this calculation (remember: if there are four prior year returns, you are on the fifth year, and meet the requirements to not do all the math for recapture!) 

 

The formula for actual depreciation during the claimed business vehicle time period claimed is 

[year 1 business mileage] x mileage rate in year 1 +

[year 2 business mileage] x mileage rate in year 2 +

[year 3 business mileage] x mileage rate in year 3

= Actual depreciation taken for vehicle in the past

 

This should be compared to the total allowed depreciation. This will see if any amount was too high to claim over the total time period. This will be calculated automatically in TurboTax by using the purchase price, purchase date, sales price, and sales date. 

 

Note that the screen first encountered with depreciation recapture says "sales price of vehicle (business portion only)" and refers to a more simple calculation. In the year sold, find the sale or trade in amount, times the percent of business use in that year.

 

This is a manual entry and will require a calculation. Expenses in the next field are dealership fees times the percent used for business, but keep in mind a trade in amount is a total that includes this number already.

 

Like-Kind does not apply due to changes in the TCJA for years 2018-2025, and this may extend beyond 2025 depending on future tax law. For now, Like-Kind is not available after 2017. 

 

After the sales price screen, TurboTax will ask for prior year depreciation in order to calculate depreciation recapture. That is where this formula comes in! If the vehicle was traded in, the basis can make this result in a loss when business use percent is high. This is advantageous to the tax payer and can increase their refund for the year. It is vastly better to trade or sell the vehicle than other disposal options for business vehicles claimed for under 5 years. 

 

The depreciation rates for 2020 to 2024:

2020 was .27

2021 was .26

2022 was .26

2023 was .28

2024 was .30

 

With the depreciation formula being rates x business miles each year = depreciation claimed in past years 

 

Summary for Depreciation Recapture of Business Vehicles disposed of before 5 year time requirement

1. Determine Sales Price (Business Portion): Current year business use percent x sales price

2. Determine actual Depreciation: Use formular of past year SMR x past year rate for each year vehicle claim, by viewing on prior year returns

3. Determine allowed Depreciation: automatic based on purchase and sale prices and dates entered

4. Review gain or loss: automatic 

5. Explain how loss in this equation can increase refund amount, if needed! 

 

 

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