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ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

I receive premium tax credits from the ACA Marketplace. I understand that the "subsidy cliff" has been removed through 2025. I have been preparing my 2022 tax return in TurboTax 2022, assuming that my income will exceed 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL.) When this week's TurboTax updates were released, the program showed a huge tax liability, as if I went over the cliff and needed to repay all of my premium tax credits. 

 

Is this a mistake in TurboTax 2022? If so, when will it be corrected? Thanks.

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ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Can you please post the information on this removed "cliff" since I have not heard of such a thing.   On the 2021 tax year only there was a waiver for anyone who had unemployment in 2021 but that was only for TY 2021.

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Thanks ... I had not seen that yet and I have not done the annual update class either (usually do in January).  FYI ... the program is still in a beta format and will not be fully functional until sometime in January or even later for some parts so patience will be needed.   Review the return you have and if you have an ACA penalty simply remove it for estimation calculation purposes.  

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

You didn't post the specifics of your situation, but just because there isn't a "cliff" doesn't necessarily mean you don't need to repay all of the Advance Premium Tax Credit.  With the specifics of your situation, it is impossible to tell you if the program is doing it correctly or not.

 

But as Critter mentioned, the program is mostly useless until early-to-mid January.

 

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Thanks, understood. There were no life changes and no problems estimating my income.

My health care costs are high, and my income is just above 400% of the FPL.

 

I did my taxes using TurboTax 2021, and I got the answer that I expected.

I did my taxes using TurboTax 2022, and I got the answer that I expected, until the program "updated."

I did my taxes using another tax program, and I got the answer that I expected.

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

I am so glad that you asked this question as I am experiencing the same issue with the 2022 software. I will be following this post.

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Yep, it looks like the "updated" TurboTax 2022 is counting the gross premiums, rather than the net premiums, as deductible expenses, so it artificially lowers my taxable income. Then, it sends me over the "subsidy cliff," so that it artificially raises my excess advance premium tax credit repayment.

 

This year, I would like to generate more capital gains, if possible (which I have to do by the end of the year) so TurboTax doesn't help me in my tax planning if they don't fix this obvious error until January. If I know better than TurboTax (or if other FREE programs know better than TurboTax) then why am I using TurboTax? SMH

 

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Even my professional program will not be fully functional until sometime in January so I always use the "what if" tool in my prior year's program just like you can do with TT downloaded versions.

 

 

This is my mini version of  a tutorial  that should be in the downloaded program: 

 

 

What is Forms Mode?

Forms Mode lets you view and make changes to your tax forms "behind the scenes."

If you're adventurous, you can even prepare your return in Forms Mode, but we don't recommend it. You may miss obscure credits and deductions you qualify for, and you may forget to report things that will come back and haunt you later.

Forms Mode is exclusively available in the TurboTax CD/Download software. It is not available in TurboTax Online.

                  

Related Information:

                             

If you want to play around with different figures and tax scenarios without affecting your original return you can ….

  • >>>In the TurboTax CD/Download software by creating a test copy
  • 1.  Open your return in TurboTax. 
  • 2.  From the File menu, choose Save As. 
  • 3.  Give the copy a new name to distinguish it from the original (for example, by adding "Test" or "Example" to the file name). 
  • 4. Click  Save. You are now safely working in the test copy and anything you do here will not affect the original. 
  •  https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1900642-how-to-make-a-test-copy-of-your-return

                        

  • >>  use the WHAT IF tool: 
  • - Click Forms Icon (upper right of screen) or Ctrl 2 (forms view) 
  • - Click on the Open Form Icon 
  • - In the “Type a form name.” area type What-If (with the dash), click on the name of the worksheet - click on Open Form 
  • - You will see the worksheet on the right side of the screen; enter the information right into the form 
  • - To get back to interview mode - click on the Step-by-Step Icon (upper right of screen) or Ctrl 1

 

Once you have filed successfully … you can shut off the auto updater function and then save the return &  .taxfile.

 

For Windows, up in the top menu, you  can set the  "Updater Preferences" to "Always Ask" or more commonly set to "I don't have an internet connection"  (even if you do), and then you are not forced to update....and can manually force an update when you choose to do so.   And then you can open the file(s) at any time with no forced upgrade.

 

But that's the Windows software.....not a MAC. For a MAC you cannot turn off the auto updater  HOWEVER  you can simply disconnect from the internet before opening the tax return.

 

                    

It's always a good idea to make a backup copy of your tax data file, in case your original gets lost or corrupted. Here's how:

  1. From the File menu in the upper-left corner of TurboTax, choose Save As (Windows) or Save (Mac).
  2. Browse to where you want to save your backup.
    • Tip: If you're saving to a portable device, save it to your computer first to prevent data corruption. Then, after completing Step 4, copy or move the backup file to your device.
  3. In the File name field, enter a name that will distinguish it from the original tax file (for example, add "Backup" or "Copy" to the file name)
  4. Click Save and then close TurboTax.
  5. Restart TurboTax and open the backup copy to make sure it's not corrupted. If you get an error, delete the backup and repeat these steps.

If you make changes to your original tax return file, repeat these steps to ensure your original and backup copies are in-synch.

Related Information:                             

 

AND save it as a PDF so you have access to a copy even if you don’t have the program still installed and operational :

AND protect the files :

 

*** Other clues to the downloaded program ***

 

In the forms mode ... double click  or right click on a box on a form to data source it ... sadly it doesn't work on all boxes. 

 

What's the meaning of all the different colors in Forms Mode?

When you look at an onscreen tax form using Forms Mode, you might wonder why one figure is blue and the one next to it is red or black.

These colors indicate the source of that data.

Color

 Meaning

Blue

You entered this data, either in the interview or Forms Mode.

Black

The program entered this data or calculated this amount.

Red

This data has either been overridden or is invalid (for example, a ZIP code that doesn't exist).

Red italics

You marked this amount as estimated.

Black italics

The program calculated this amount from an amount you marked as estimated.

Purple

This information has supporting details.

Aquamarine

This data was transferred over from last year.

Green

This data was imported from Quicken or QuickBooks.

Yellow fields (Windows)

Yellow fields allow user input. Anything you enter here shows up in blue.

                                                                                                                                  

 

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Today's update did not fix this.

 

The Bogleheads have a thread about it, and they mention some workarounds, including several that are mentioned above:   https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392184

 

At this point, I'm able to tie out 2021 TurboTax, pre-update 2022 TurboTax, and another tax program (except for the sales tax calculation, which must have increased from 2021 to 2022, based on estimated spending) so I'm going to cross my fingers and grit my teeth and harvest some capital gains and losses.

 

Happy holidays!!

 

 

jtax
Level 10

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

As @AmeliesUncle posted even without a cliff the subsidies go away when income gets high enough.

 

What's happening is something like this (it's complicated, the percentages change slightly each year, sothis is overly simplified):

 

Figure your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) - https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/modified-adjusted-gross-income-magi/

 

If over 400% of federal poverty level, then take 8.5% of your MAGI (The % is lower if you have lower income). That is your expected contribution to ACA premiums. 

 

So if $100k MAGI, then $8.5k is your expected share of premiums. If $500k of MAGI then $42.5k is what you're expected to pay.


Now the ACA plan you choose and its cost doesn't matter.  (Very hard to understand.) The metric is the second lowest cost silver plan (SLCSP) in your area for your age. See healthcare.gov for tools for find this.

 

Let's say the cost is $10k for your SLCSP. For $100k AGI your subsidy is $10k SLCSP - $8.5k (your "share") = $1.5k. For $500k MAGAI your ACA is zero because $10k premium - 42.5k (your share) is < 0.

 

The cliff used to be that if your income was > 400 % FPL then you got no subsidy. $100k, for example, would certainly not have gotten the $1.5k subsidy in the above simplified example.

 

Again this is a bit simplified.
There are calculators you can use to verify your numbers. For example,

https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/subsidy-calculator/

https://www.kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

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ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Today's update did not fix this.

 

Form 8962, line 11 is still not copying cells 33A and 33B from Form 1095-A.

 

 

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

The 8962 is not expected to be functional until 1/19  and there will be updates on something in the program everyday for a month yet.  Check back again after the 19th.   https://form-status.app.intuit.com/tax-forms-availability/formsavailability?albRedirect=true&product...

 

 

ACA "subsidy cliff" and the premium tax credit

Yes,

 

per the "American Rescue Plan" which passed congress - the ACA cliff was eliminated trough 2025.

 

Turbotax Software has a problem that has not been fixed - it still is acting like there is a ACA Cliff

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