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sunshine rainbows
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My ex is insisting I provide him a form 8332 for the last 6 years.  I have claimed them every year and now he wants me to provide him back years.  My children live with me 320 days a year and I am very low income.  I am unsure how he can request past years when the children live with me and have always lived with me.  

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He cannot.  You need to speak with your attorney.

sunshine rainbows
Returning Member

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I understand that.  Our decree states he gets one and I get one child.  When I spoke to the IRS they told me that he cannot claim them because they live with me more than the 6 month time frame.  Is it because the years he is asking are too old or?  What rule takes precedence?  Decree on the county level or Federal IRS law?  Sorry to ask so many questions.  My attorney for my divorce is trying to look into it.  

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@sunshine rainbows wrote:

I understand that.  Our decree states he gets one and I get one child.  When I spoke to the IRS they told me that he cannot claim them because they live with me more than the 6 month time frame.  Is it because the years he is asking are too old or?  What rule takes precedence?  Decree on the county level or Federal IRS law?  Sorry to ask so many questions.  My attorney for my divorce is trying to look into it.  


Whomever the child lives with for over 6 months of the year is the custodial parent.  The IRS only cares about who was the custodial parent when determining the dependency of the child on a tax return.

If there is a court order requiring you to provide a Form 8332 to your ex for certain years to claim the dependency of the child then you are obligated to comply with that order.

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

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Q. What rule takes precedence?  Decree on the county level or Federal IRS law?  

A. Both.  For the IRS, it's  federal law.  The IRS got  tired of refereeing divorce situations and had congress change the law so they don't have to bother.  But though the court order is not binding on the IRS, it is still binding on you.  If you fail to comply, the IRS will side with you.  The other parent's only remedy is take you back to court.

 

For a detailed discussion, see: https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3479726-my-ex-claimed-our-child-but-our-court-order-says-i-m-suppo...

sunshine rainbows
Returning Member

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That is what I thought but even if he were to take me to court (which would cost more than the "credit" he would get) I can only provide him with 3 years to amend a return correct?  3 years if he got a refund, 2 if he owed? 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

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Yes, usually (and probably, in your case).  There is a three year limit for claiming a refund.  However, if he is dealing with an open IRS case for an earlier year, he may still need the 8332 for those years.

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@sunshine rainbows wrote:

That is what I thought but even if he were to take me to court (which would cost more than the "credit" he would get) I can only provide him with 3 years to amend a return correct?  3 years if he got a refund, 2 if he owed? 

 


Yes, however, the court can order various remedies including that you file differently in the future.

 

Let me first explain the rules.

Only the parent where the child lives more than half the year can automatically claim the child as a dependent.  If the custodial parent transfers the dependent claim to the other parent using form 8332, that other parent can claim the child tax credit and dependent exemption (for 2017 and earlier) but can never use the child to qualify for earned income credit, head of household status, or the child and dependent care credit for day care expenses.  Those benefits always stay with the custodial parent and can't be waived, transferred or shared.  

 

Now, it seems as though you were required by your court order to give your ex a form 8332 for the past 6 years, allowing your ex to claim one of the children.  Because you did not do this, your ex was denied roughly $2000 per year in tax benefits, although the exact amount could only be determined by re-calculating all their past tax returns.  You may have claimed the same amount in excess benefits, although again, someone would have to examine all your returns to see what the actual benefit was.

 

As you seem to already know, your ex can't file amended returns more than 3 years old (a 2017 amended return must be filed by April 15, 2021, and he can also amend for 2018 and 2019).  This won't correct the older errors.  And you would also have to amend your returns and possibly repay a considerable amount of money. 

 

A court could do anything to fix this problem except order you to file a tax return that violates federal law.  For example, if the deficiency was $12,000 ($2000 x 6 years), the court could reduce your future child support payments until the deficit is made up.  Or the court could order you to surrender both dependents for 3 years (2017-2019) instead of 1 dependent for 6 years.  Or the court could order you to surrender both dependents for future years until you come out even.  The court is not going to want to deprive you or your children, so as long as you propose a reasonable solution, the court is not likely to demand you repay an impossible sum immediately, but if you are unreasonable, the court is more likely to be unreasonable towards you.   And you are the one who received 6 years of improper benefits, even if it was through accident or ignorance instead of malice.

 

Because of the amount of money involved, you need to get your attorney involved right away, if they aren't already.  Your attorney could hire a neutral accountant to review your and your ex's tax returns, determine the amount of the deficiency, and propose a solution.   It is to your advantage to educate your ex on what they can and can't do, and offer a reasonable compromise.  

 

From an income tax point of view, if you must amend your own returns, be sure to still indicate the children lived with you more than half the year and you are using form 8332 to release the dependent to the other parent.  This will ensure you retain any EIC or HOH benefits the child entitles you to, even though you must waive the child tax credit. 

sunshine rainbows
Returning Member

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So I filed my taxes... I used one child like I was supposed to and the other child is for him.  I am under the understanding that my second child qualifies me for the HOH designation and the EIC and my ex gets the child tax credit on him.  Is this correct?  My ex is stating that he cannot use the child on his form because it states that he has already been used but I don't have him as a dependent on my tax form.  Does my ex have to file by mail to send the 8332 in with it to get the child tax credit on the child I did not get it on?  I am confused as to why he says he cannot claim the child tax credit on that child.  I am the custodial parent and he is the non-custodial parent.  I am sorry for all of the questions but when I got to the area where it asked me if the other parent would claim him I said yes.  Thanks for answering!

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You should have listed child 1 as living in your home more than half the year, that you were not releasing a dependent claim, and that child would qualify you for EIC, head of household, and $2000 tax credit.

 

Then, you should have listed child 2 as living in your home more than half the year, and that you were releasing the dependent claim. Child #2 would qualify you for additional EIC (you already qualified for head of household) and you would have to print form 8332 to give to the other parent.

 

The other parent must list that the child lived in their home less than half the year and that they have a form 8332. This will allow the other parent to claim the $2000 child tax credit but not qualify for EIC or HOH. The other parent should be able to e-file, and then they mail the signed form 8332 to the IRS with a cover page after their e-filed return is accepted.

 

You can double check your tax return by going into the program and look at the list of dependents. Child 2 should be listed as something like “not a dependent, use for EIC only“.  You can also print your tax return or look at the first page of the PDF and see if child 2 is listed as a dependent.

 

If you filed according to the instructions above, and the other parent‘s tax return is being rejected, then possibly the other parent is trying to claim the child as a dependent as if the child lived in their home the entire year and allows them to qualify for EIC and HOH in addition to the child tax credit. The other parent must fix their tax return so that they only claim the child for the child tax credit.

 

Since we cannot see either your tax return or that of the other parent, it is impossible for anyone on this board to tell exactly what is going on.

sunshine rainbows
Returning Member

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My list of dependents has only child number 1.  I am assuming that is what is happening.  He says he gets to claim everything when it comes to child number 2.  I am saying I retain certain aspects of child number 2 and he gets the child tax credit for child number 2 only.  Is this correct?  I know it is confusing, sorry for that.  I only have one child listed as a dependent on the filed form in box under dependents.  Child number 2's name is at the top where it says, " If you checked the HOH box, enter the child's name if the qualifying person is a child but not your dependent". Child number 2's name is there.  

 

Thanks for responding.  🙂

 

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The parent where the child lives more than half the nights of the year retains the right to use that child to qualify for head of household, the earned income credit, and the child and dependent care credit. Those benefits always stay with the custodial parent and can’t be waived, transferred, or released. This is spelled out in several places, including the dependent section of the form 1040 instructions, IRS publication 501 on claiming dependents, and IRS publication 504, information for divorced and separated individuals.

 

In IRS publication 501, look for the section marked “special rules for children of divorced or separated parents.“

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p501.pdf

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