1040 part 2 line 11 Wierd Error

[heyheymark]

1040/1040SR Wks says "Line 11 is too large" no matter what number I put it it, or if it is blank, Zero, or no data at all.  What's going on?

[rjs]

There are three Part II sections in the 1040/1040SR Worksheet, one within each of the three schedules, Schedules 1, 2, and 3. I assume you are talking about line 11 in the Deferral for Certain Schedule H or SE Filers Smart Worksheet near the bottom of the 1040/1040SR Worksheet, in Part II of Schedule 3.

I also assume, based on a question you posted a couple of months ago, that you are using the CD/Download TurboTax Premier software in Windows.

First make sure your software is up-to-date. On the Online menu select Check for Updates.

Open the 1040/1040SR Worksheet in forms mode. Are there any other errors in the 1040/1040SR Worksheet? If so, correct the other errors and see if you still have the problem.

Make sure there are no overrides anywhere in your tax return. If an entry has been overridden, the value will be displayed in red instead of black. Remove all overrides and see if you still have the problem.

If the problem still exists, what is on line 10 of the Smart Worksheet? If line 10 is zero or negative you cannot defer any of the tax. But leaving line 11 completely empty should not cause the error. Do you have Supporting Details for line 11? Click on the big plus sign to the left of the entry and make sure that there is nothing entered in the Supporting Details window. If there are no Supporting Details, and you still get the error when there is nothing at all on line 11, I suspect that you may somehow have gotten something in there that does not show up on the screen, but is still there. Click on the space for the line 11 entry and press Backspace and Delete repeatedly until you are sure there is nothing left. The shading should change to blue (or tan if you move away from it).

If that doesn't work, before you try this last solution, save your tax return the way it is, just in case anything goes wrong. With the 1040/1040SR Worksheet open in forms mode, click Delete Form at the bottom. Click Yes to confirm the deletion. The 1040/1040SR Worksheet will be deleted and will immediately be recreated. Line 11 should now be empty, and the error should be gone.

[nancyedgar]

I am having this same problem.  I have tried all of the things you have suggested.  I can get the error to go away by clearing out of 1040 worksheet but then when I run the check at the end, the error returns.  The amount on line 10 is a negative and I do not want to defer - I can't anyway, according to the form.  Please help!

[nancyedgar]

how did you get this corrected?  I am having the same problem.

[macuser_22]

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@nancyedgar wrote:

I am having this same problem.  I have tried all of the things you have suggested.  I can get the error to go away by clearing out of 1040 worksheet but then when I run the check at the end, the error returns.  The amount on line 10 is a negative and I do not want to defer - I can't anyway, according to the form.  Please help!

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Line 10 cannot be negative.   What is 10a and 10b?  Which one is negative?

Of 10a the  what is on Schedule 1 lines  10-21?    Those can only be positive numbers.

[rjs]

@nancyedgar  When you get the error in the Smart Check, delete whatever is on line 11 and leave the box completely empty. That should get rid of the error.

@macuser_22  nancyedgar is not talking about line 10 (or lines 10a, 10b, and 10c) on Form 1040. She's talking about lines 10 and 11 on the "Deferral for Certain Schedule H or SE Filers Smart Worksheet" for Schedule 3 line 12e near the bottom of the 1040/1040SR Worksheet. The error that comes up in Smart Check is "1040/1040SR Wks: Line 11 is too large." If line 10 of the Smart Worksheet is negative, which is valid, line 11 has to be left empty. Even a zero on line 11 will get the error.

[heyheymark]

Latest Update on my original question:  The Weird Error mystery is still not over.  I updated from Version [phone number removed] to [phone number removed], so I am totally up to date now with TT Premier.  I did have some extraneous notes in the Description for Line 11, and then  I experimented by putting a negative -1 number into line 11.  It temporarily made the error disappear, but it came right back.  So now I have deleted all the notes and numbers from line 11.  However that caused a number (1) to show up in Schedule 3, Part 1, Line 1 and a Form 1116 to appear with the (1) appearing in Box 35.  Things seems to be getting worse and more complicated.

[KathrynG3]

What has likely happened is that this section may have been visited and then declined, but since it was visited, it is presumed you did want to defer some of the tax. But, since it was later chosen not to defer any self-employment tax, which is allowable, the system needs to update.

To get the system to update, try these two trouble shooting steps:

First, revisit the section for the Self-employment tax deferral entry and accept it, change it, and then decline it by deferring 0:

1. Return to the Deductions & Credits section.
2. Scroll to Tax relief related to COVID-19 and Show More.
3. Select Self-employment tax deferral and select Revisit.
4. Answer Yes at the next screen to get back to Let's start by getting your eligible income.
   1. If you do not want to defer any self-employment income, at "Enter your eligible self-employment income", you have three options. Try them in the following order:
      1. Enter nothing--be sure the cell is completely blank
      2. Enter 0 (as in 0 is the portion of self-employment I will defer) or alternatively,
      3. Enter 280/366ths of your income to reflect the income from March 27-December 31, 2021.
   2. Select Continue.
   3. At Tell us how much you'd like to defer, 
      1. "Enter amount" should be blank if you entered blank above,
      2. Enter 0 if you entered 0 or 280/266ths of income above.
   4. Select Continue.
5. Scroll down and select Wrap up Tax Breaks and Continue.
6. I recommend running through the Federal Review again.

Secondly, if the error is still in the return, it is because Sch SE-T or Sch SE-S is not updating properly. To update the return automatically, it is best to close out completely and close the browser, as well. Re-open in Chrome on a PC.

1. Delete the Sch SE that applies--(Sch SE-T is for Taxpayer, Sch SE-S for Spouse)--by following these steps:
   1. From the left menu, select Tax Tools.
   2. Select Tools.
   3. Scroll to Delete a Form.
   4. Scroll to Sch SE-T and/or Sch SE-S and select Delete.
2. Return to the self-employment income & expenses interview in the Income & Expenses section and select Edit/Add.
   1. Select Edit for your business.
   2. Scroll down to Done so that the Sch SE is recalculated. 
   3. Finish any other questions in the self-employment interview and click Continue.
3. Review the return again.

@heyheymark

@nancyedgar

[heyheymark]

It may be I'll reach that point in needing to update the system eventually, but meanwhile as I am getting all these forms data entered in piecemeal, but for now what is happening is that the form 1116 goes away if I purposely check Box 7a of every 1099-DIV that has a foreign tax paid.  Which by the way weren't linked to any form 1116 by me.  TT is doing some funny things when you have amounts in Box 7 and don't choose anything under 7a, b, c or d.   Another related but slightly different crazy deal is that Vanguard puts $ amounts in Box 2a which costs you taxes, but eTrade and Fidelity don't put any amounts in Box 2a which saves on your taxes.  Who can figure that out?