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Remote work - three state scenario

I'm officially a resident of Hawaii. I also have a California address but I split time between the two. For various reasons, I have no desire to change my residency. There is a company in a third state that offers remote work, but only from certain states, California being one of them.

 

If I were to be offered this job -- I don't know if this is realistic given I'm not a California resident -- what are the tax implications? It seems to me that this would be the equivalent of having a California-based job, and working remotely half of the year.

 

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TomD8
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario

Per the Hayes decision, New York's "convenience" rule does not apply to non-residents who never physically work in New York.

 

“A nonresident who works in another State but who performs no work in New York is not subject to New York State tax liability no matter for whose convenience or necessity he performs the work. Hayes v. State Tax Comm, 61 A.D.2d 62, 64 (N.Y. App. Div. 1978)

 

If you do take a job with a New York employer, and your work will be performed entirely from a remote location outside NY, then you should file NY Form IT-2104.1 with your employer, so that NY taxes are not withheld from your pay.  Here's a link to the form:

https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/current_forms/it/it2104_1_fill_in.pdf

 

As @rjs explained, if you work from a California location, your income from that work would be fully taxable by California, as well as by your home state of Hawaii.  In that situation, you'd be able to claim an "other state credit" on your Hawaii return, so you wouldn't be double-taxed.  And in that situation, unless your employer is willing to withhold California income tax for you, you'd have to make quarterly estimated tax payments to CA.

**Answers are correct to the best of my ability but do not constitute tax or legal advice.

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pk
Level 15
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario

@Remote guy , irrespective of what the  "employer" company thinks/believes/ articulates, per the IRS, the earning is sourced to the State where the work is performed.  Personally I do NOT believe that an entity/ employer  in the USA can arbitrarily choose to employ  remote workers from a select state  ( probably comes under  discrimination based on place of domicile -- but I is not a lawyer ).

 

Hopefully this answers your query -- BTW , I saw a similar question earlier  -- is this a  test question ?

 

pk

rjs
Level 15
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario

Would you be an employee of the company (you would get a W-2) or would you be an independent contractor (you would get a 1099-NEC)?


Ask the company why they only allow remote workers from certain states. If you would be a W-2 employee, it might be because they can only properly withhold state income tax for states where they already have a presence. They would have to withhold tax for the state that you actually work in. What matters is where you do the work, not where your residence is, or where you "have an address," whatever that means.


If you would work sometimes in Hawaii and sometimes in California, that would be a record keeping problem for the company, even if the allowed remote work from both states.


What state is the company located in? Some states have special tax rules for remote workers.

 

Remote work - three state scenario

@pk I did post this question twice in a row. I had some sort of network problem, the first post didn't look like it succeeded, so I ended up submitting it twice. I edited the second post down to nothing, so if you're still seeing a similar question, then it's not from me.

 

Remote work - three state scenario

@rjs This is W-2. This particular company is headquartered in New York. I've seen more than one company post jobs with a specific list of states that they will hire remote workers from.

rjs
Level 15
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario


@Remote guy wrote:

This is W-2. This particular company is headquartered in New York.


New York has a "convenience of the employer" rule for remote workers. Basically that means that if you work remotely because the employer wants you to work in another state for business reasons (for the "convenience of the employer"), you will not have to pay New York tax. But if you work remotely for your own convenience, you have to pay New York income tax as if you actually work in New York.


Many people are of the opinion that if you never set foot in the New York office, you will not be subject to the convenience rule and will not have to pay New York tax. In my opinion the information I have seen from New York is not clear on this point. You might want to consult a tax lawyer in New York to be sure. But everyone agrees that if you ever go to the New York office, even for just one day during the year, the convenience rule applies and all your pay for the year is subject to New York tax.


If the company has offices in other states besides New York, even if New York is their headquarters, you could avoid the New York convenience rule issue if they would assign you to an office in another state that does not have the convenience rule, and you could telecommute to that other office instead of to New York.


Regardless of how New York treats your income, the standard rule applies that your income is subject to tax by the state where you actually work, as well as the by the state that you live in. On your resident tax return for the state that you live in you will get a credit for part or all of the tax that you pay to the state that you work in. So if you sometimes work in California you would have to file a California nonresident tax return and pay California tax on the income you earn for the time that you work in California. As a Hawaii resident you would also, of course, have to file a Hawaii resident tax return and report all of your income, no matter where it's from. If New York's convenience rule applies, you would also have to file a New York nonresident return and pay New York tax on all of your pay from the New York company. I don't know if Hawaii would give you credit for the tax that you pay to New York under these circumstances. You should ask a tax lawyer in Hawaii about it. California would not give you credit for any tax that you pay to New York on income that you earn for working in California.

 


@Remote guy wrote:

I've seen more than one company post jobs with a specific list of states that they will hire remote workers from.


As I said earlier, I suspect that's partly because they can only withhold state income tax for states where they have a presence. Also, in some states, the company would be treated as having a income from the state if they have even a single employee working in that state, which would make the company subject to tax by that state.

 

TomD8
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario

Per the Hayes decision, New York's "convenience" rule does not apply to non-residents who never physically work in New York.

 

“A nonresident who works in another State but who performs no work in New York is not subject to New York State tax liability no matter for whose convenience or necessity he performs the work. Hayes v. State Tax Comm, 61 A.D.2d 62, 64 (N.Y. App. Div. 1978)

 

If you do take a job with a New York employer, and your work will be performed entirely from a remote location outside NY, then you should file NY Form IT-2104.1 with your employer, so that NY taxes are not withheld from your pay.  Here's a link to the form:

https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/current_forms/it/it2104_1_fill_in.pdf

 

As @rjs explained, if you work from a California location, your income from that work would be fully taxable by California, as well as by your home state of Hawaii.  In that situation, you'd be able to claim an "other state credit" on your Hawaii return, so you wouldn't be double-taxed.  And in that situation, unless your employer is willing to withhold California income tax for you, you'd have to make quarterly estimated tax payments to CA.

**Answers are correct to the best of my ability but do not constitute tax or legal advice.
rjs
Level 15
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario


@TomD8 wrote:

Per the Hayes decision, New York's "convenience" rule does not apply to non-residents who never physically work in New York.


The Hayes decision was in 1978. There were no telecommuters in 1978. Hayes was not telecommuting. Also, Hayes's situation was very unusual, and involved a written quid pro quo agreement with the employer. I would be very hesitant to try to apply a 45-year old court decision to a present-day situation with a very different set of facts, especially since the decision is not reflected in the 2006 Department of Taxation and Finance document TSB-M-06(5)I. There could have been subsequent legislation or court decisions over the last 45 years that change the rules. Before you rely on the Hayes decision you should get expert legal advice.


However, the wording of TSB-M-06(5)I leads some people to conclude that the convenience of the employer test does not apply if the employee never works at a New York location. I again suggest that if you want to take the job, you consult a tax lawyer in New York about whether the convenience of the employer test would apply.

 

TomD8
Level 15

Remote work - three state scenario

I would just point out two things:

 

1.  The Hayes decision has never been overturned.

2.  In its opening paragraph, New York tax memorandum TSB-M-06(5)I states: 

"The memorandum addresses situations where a nonresident or part-year resident employee whose assigned or primary work location is in New York State performs services for an employer at that location and at a home office located outside of New York State."

 

The memorandum pretty clearly applies only to employees who work both within and without New York State during the tax year.

 

             

               

**Answers are correct to the best of my ability but do not constitute tax or legal advice.
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