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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Are my NY 414(h) contributions exempt from NY state tax if I'm never in state?  Thanks!

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MayaD
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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

No. If you are a member of a public employee retirement system (such as the New York State and Local Retirement System) and made 414(h) retirement contributions to your retirement plan, then you must report the contributions as an addition modification to your federal adjusted gross income on your New York State income tax return. This addition modification is reported on line 21 on Form IT-201, Resident Income Tax Return; or line 21 of Form IT-203, Nonresident and Part-Year Resident Income Tax Return.

 

The entry “IRC 414H” pertains to the pre-tax dollars used to pay pension contributions. The dollar amount in Box 14, IRC 414H, is pre-tax for federal tax purposes, but not for New York State and New York City tax purposes. Consequently, they must be added back in the area designated for that purpose on the New York State tax return at the time you file your taxes.

 

 

For more information, check: ny.gov

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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Thank you @MayaD .  I was checking if my situation differs, as I am never in NYS, and hence don't pay state income tax there (see helpful posts from @kristinelbly).  I wondered if the 414h has a similar structure as overall income tax.

AmyC
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

If you have to file a NY return, then it is added to the taxable income. Since you are a nonresident with no NY income, you do not need to file a return. It is not taxable income to you. See nonresident filing requirements in the Instructions for Form IT-203.

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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Hi @AmyC - thank you.  Agreed, I don't need to file an NY tax return as I owe no state income tax there.... unless I owe NY taxes on this 414(h), which is unclear.   Do you know that 414(h) plans follows the same residency rules as NYS income taxes generally?

AmyC
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

So sorry I was not clear. When I looked in the nonresident instructions I posted, it shows all the reasons you need to file and the 414h is not among them. If you have nothing else, there is no reason to file a NY return.

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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Hi @AmyC,

 

Thank you for making that clear.  Thought I was all set to (not file in NY) but seeing this sentence in the IT203 instructions:

 

"Line 21: Public employees 414(h) retirement contributions

Are you a public employee of New York State or its local governments?

  • If No, go to line 22.
  • If Yes, enter in both the Federal amount column and the New York State amount column the amount of 414(h) retirement contributions, if shown on any wage and tax statement, federal Form W-2, if you are...{long list of employee types that includes me}"

 

I am a NYS employee (working out of state) so those 414H contributions are a special case of income that seems like it is taxed?  Appreciate the triple check as I'm just trying to get this right!

AmyC
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Let's look at the actual rules and make sure of your requirements:

First, the 414h is only included in income, if you are required to file a tax return. It is your retirement plan and not taxed unless NY resident or NY source income.

Second, do you have NY source income that is listed in the chart" You said you live outside of NY but receive income from NY. If you have a business selling in NY, you would have NY income. If you go into work, inside the state, you have NY income. Please look at the list and see if your circumstances qualify or do you simply work for a company based in NY and don't  make money in NY. From what you have said, it does not sound like you work in NY so no NY source income.

Third, do you need to file a return. If you have NY source income, then you need to file a return.

 

Here are the rules from the instructions for Nonresidents of NY.

 

You must file Form IT-203 if you meet any of the following conditions:

  • You have income from a New York State source (see Nonresidents: New York source income) and your New York adjusted gross income (Federal amount column) is more than your New York State standard deduction. Complete Form IT-203, lines 1 through 31 and compare the line 31 Federal amount to your standard deduction from the New York State standard deduction table.
  • You want to claim a refund of any New York State, New York City, or Yonkers income taxes withheld from your pay or from your unemployment insurance benefit payments.
  • You want to claim any of the New York State, New York City, or Yonkers refundable or carryover credits.

 

Nonresidents: New York source income

For nonresidents, New York source income is the sum (with adjustments for special accruals) of income, gain, loss, and deduction from:

  • real or tangible personal property located in New York State (including certain gains or losses from the sale or exchange of an interest in an entity that owns real property in New York State or owns shares of stock in a cooperative housing corporation where the cooperative units relating to the shares are located in New York);
  • services performed in New York State;
  • a business, trade, profession, or occupation carried on in New York State whether or not as an employee (see TSB-M-10(9)I, Income Received by a Nonresident Related to a Business, Trade, Profession, or Occupation Previously Carried on Within New York State); and
  • a New York S corporation in which you are a shareholder (including installment income from an IRC § 453 transaction).

New York source income also includes:

  • your distributive share of New York State partnership income or gain;
  • your share of New York State estate or trust income or gain;
  • lottery winnings won in the New York State lottery, if the prize was won on or after October 1, 2000, and the total proceeds of the prize are more than $5,000;
  • gambling winnings in excess of $5,000 from wagering transactions within New York State;
  • any gain from the sale, transfer, or other disposition of shares of stock in a cooperative housing corporation in connection with the grant or transfer of a proprietary leasehold, when the real property comprising the units of such cooperative housing corporation is located in New York State;
  • any income you received related to a business, trade, profession, or occupation previously carried on in this state, whether or not as an employee, including but not limited to, covenants not to compete and termination agreements (for additional information, see Form IT-203-F, Multi‑Year Allocation Form, and its instructions);
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and the S corporation has distributed an installment obligation under IRC section 453(h)(1)(A) to the shareholders, any gain recognized on the receipt of payments from an installment obligation for federal income tax purposes;
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and the S corporation has made an election under IRC section 338(h)(10), any gain recognized on the deemed asset sale for federal income tax purposes;
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and that S corporation terminates its taxable status in New York, any income or gain recognized on the receipt of payments from an installment sale contract entered into when the S corporation was subject to tax in New York; and
  • any gain recognized by you for federal income tax purposes from the sale or transfer of a partnership interest, where the sale or transfer:
    • is subject to the provisions of IRC § 1060, and
    • occurred on or after April 10, 2017.

@Aminy 

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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Appreciate your continued guidance on this topic @AmyC.

 

I do not have any "NY source income" (in the meaning of that term for tax purposes).  I'm just employed by an agency there, but I don't step foot in the state, sell anything there etc.  So there's no need to even file a tax return in NY, with the possible exception that I have an NY-based 414h plan.  I don't see a statement that my general exemption from NY state taxes (because I'm never there) extends to the 414h (but maybe it does).

 

DMarkM1
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

You are correct you do not have a NY state filing requirement.  NY form IT-203 instructions state:  "You must file Form IT-203 if you meet any of the following conditions:

  • You have income from a New York State source (see Nonresidents: New York source income) and your New York adjusted gross income (Federal amount column) is more than your New York State standard deduction.

Since you don't have any "NY state source income" as listed below, you do not meet the filing requirements for NY.  

 

If you had NY state source income, then you would have a filing requirement and the 414(h) contributions would be added to your NY Adjusted Gross Income. 

 

"NY state source income is... income, gain, loss, and deduction from:

  • real or tangible personal property located in New York State (including certain gains or losses from the sale or exchange of an interest in an entity that owns real property in New York State or owns shares of stock in a cooperative housing corporation where the cooperative units relating to the shares are located in New York);
  • services performed in New York State;
  • a business, trade, profession, or occupation carried on in New York State whether or not as an employee  
  • a New York S corporation in which you are a shareholder (including installment income from an IRC § 453 transaction).

New York source income also includes:

  • your distributive share of New York State partnership income or gain;
  • your share of New York State estate or trust income or gain;
  • lottery winnings won in the New York State lottery, if the prize was won on or after October 1, 2000, and the total proceeds of the prize are more than $5,000;
  • gambling winnings in excess of $5,000 from wagering transactions within New York State;
  • any gain from the sale, transfer, or other disposition of shares of stock in a cooperative housing corporation in connection with the grant or transfer of a proprietary leasehold, when the real property comprising the units of such cooperative housing corporation is located in New York State;
  • any income you received related to a business, trade, profession, or occupation previously carried on in this state, whether or not as an employee, including but not limited to, covenants not to compete and termination agreements,
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and the S corporation has distributed an installment obligation under IRC section 453(h)(1)(A) to the shareholders, any gain recognized on the receipt of payments from an installment obligation for federal income tax purposes;
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and the S corporation has made an election under IRC section 338(h)(10), any gain recognized on the deemed asset sale for federal income tax purposes;
  • in the case of a shareholder in an S corporation that has made the election to be a New York S corporation, and that S corporation terminates its taxable status in New York, any income or gain recognized on the receipt of payments from an installment sale contract entered into when the S corporation was subject to tax in New York; and
  • any gain recognized by you for federal income tax purposes from the sale or transfer of a partnership interest, where the sale or transfer:
    • is subject to the provisions of IRC § 1060, and
    • occurred on or after April 10, 2017."
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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Thank you, @DMarkM1 .   Reiterating - the flow of logic is first determine if I have NY-source income (I don't).   Since I do not, stipulations about 414h in the IT203 don't even apply, because I never get that far.

DMarkM1
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Almost.  The logic flow is were you a resident, part-year resident, or non-resident of NY?  Non-resident.  Then, do you have a non-resident NY filing requirement?  No.  Since you do not (for whatever reason), you do not need to complete a NY form IT-203.   

 

Since you do not need to file the form, whatever information is required on form doesn't matter (just like your name and social security would be required, if filing).   

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NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Great logic, thank you for clarifying @DMarkM1 .

 

Practically speaking, this means I just check 414(h) (NY exempt) option for the W2 turbotax?

DMarkM1
Expert Alumni

NY non-resident 414(h) - exempt?

Yes, for the W2 box 14 category select the NY 414(h) Exempt category.  

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perfect - thank you @DMarkM1 

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