Are my NY 414(h) contributions exempt from NY state tax if I'm never in state? Thanks!
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No. If you are a member of a public employee retirement system (such as the New York State and Local Retirement System) and made 414(h) retirement contributions to your retirement plan, then you must report the contributions as an addition modification to your federal adjusted gross income on your New York State income tax return. This addition modification is reported on line 21 on Form IT-201, Resident Income Tax Return; or line 21 of Form IT-203, Nonresident and Part-Year Resident Income Tax Return.
The entry “IRC 414H” pertains to the pre-tax dollars used to pay pension contributions. The dollar amount in Box 14, IRC 414H, is pre-tax for federal tax purposes, but not for New York State and New York City tax purposes. Consequently, they must be added back in the area designated for that purpose on the New York State tax return at the time you file your taxes.
For more information, check: ny.gov
Thank you @MayaD . I was checking if my situation differs, as I am never in NYS, and hence don't pay state income tax there (see helpful posts from @kristinelbly). I wondered if the 414h has a similar structure as overall income tax.
If you have to file a NY return, then it is added to the taxable income. Since you are a nonresident with no NY income, you do not need to file a return. It is not taxable income to you. See nonresident filing requirements in the Instructions for Form IT-203.
Hi @AmyC - thank you. Agreed, I don't need to file an NY tax return as I owe no state income tax there.... unless I owe NY taxes on this 414(h), which is unclear. Do you know that 414(h) plans follows the same residency rules as NYS income taxes generally?
So sorry I was not clear. When I looked in the nonresident instructions I posted, it shows all the reasons you need to file and the 414h is not among them. If you have nothing else, there is no reason to file a NY return.
Hi @AmyC,
Thank you for making that clear. Thought I was all set to (not file in NY) but seeing this sentence in the IT203 instructions:
"Line 21: Public employees 414(h) retirement contributions
Are you a public employee of New York State or its local governments?
I am a NYS employee (working out of state) so those 414H contributions are a special case of income that seems like it is taxed? Appreciate the triple check as I'm just trying to get this right!
Let's look at the actual rules and make sure of your requirements:
First, the 414h is only included in income, if you are required to file a tax return. It is your retirement plan and not taxed unless NY resident or NY source income.
Second, do you have NY source income that is listed in the chart" You said you live outside of NY but receive income from NY. If you have a business selling in NY, you would have NY income. If you go into work, inside the state, you have NY income. Please look at the list and see if your circumstances qualify or do you simply work for a company based in NY and don't make money in NY. From what you have said, it does not sound like you work in NY so no NY source income.
Third, do you need to file a return. If you have NY source income, then you need to file a return.
Here are the rules from the instructions for Nonresidents of NY.
You must file Form IT-203 if you meet any of the following conditions:
For nonresidents, New York source income is the sum (with adjustments for special accruals) of income, gain, loss, and deduction from:
New York source income also includes:
Appreciate your continued guidance on this topic @AmyC.
I do not have any "NY source income" (in the meaning of that term for tax purposes). I'm just employed by an agency there, but I don't step foot in the state, sell anything there etc. So there's no need to even file a tax return in NY, with the possible exception that I have an NY-based 414h plan. I don't see a statement that my general exemption from NY state taxes (because I'm never there) extends to the 414h (but maybe it does).
You are correct you do not have a NY state filing requirement. NY form IT-203 instructions state: "You must file Form IT-203 if you meet any of the following conditions:
Since you don't have any "NY state source income" as listed below, you do not meet the filing requirements for NY.
If you had NY state source income, then you would have a filing requirement and the 414(h) contributions would be added to your NY Adjusted Gross Income.
"NY state source income is... income, gain, loss, and deduction from:
New York source income also includes:
Thank you, @DMarkM1 . Reiterating - the flow of logic is first determine if I have NY-source income (I don't). Since I do not, stipulations about 414h in the IT203 don't even apply, because I never get that far.
Almost. The logic flow is were you a resident, part-year resident, or non-resident of NY? Non-resident. Then, do you have a non-resident NY filing requirement? No. Since you do not (for whatever reason), you do not need to complete a NY form IT-203.
Since you do not need to file the form, whatever information is required on form doesn't matter (just like your name and social security would be required, if filing).
Great logic, thank you for clarifying @DMarkM1 .
Practically speaking, this means I just check 414(h) (NY exempt) option for the W2 turbotax?
Yes, for the W2 box 14 category select the NY 414(h) Exempt category.
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