I am tax resident in MO and all my income from here. My spouse is a non resident and none of his income comes from MO. We are trying to file federal tax jointly, but state tax separately. I have followed the instruction here to prepare a "mock" federal tax and create a state tax for MO: https://ttlc.intuit.com/turbotax-support/en-us/help-article/small-business-processes/prepare-joint-f...
I have two questions when I went through the Turbo tax and printed the MO state filing documents:
1. I see my Federal 1040 was also printed with MO1040 to be filed together. However, since it is a "mock" federal document, the numbers there are only for my income and deductions, not my spouse's, so that they are different from my actual federal 1040 (which is a joint file). Should I still mail this out with my MO 1040? Would this inconsistency create problems?
2. The first page of the instruction from Turbo tax shows that I should attach a copy of all forms W2 and 1099. Is it actually required? Supposedly I can e-file, I don't think the original W2 and 1099 forms will be attached because Turbo tax did not get the original copy of these forms. Is that right?
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No. 1: you don’t mail in the mock Federal return. You would attach your joint Federal return with your MO return.
No. 2: Attach a copy of your federal return (pages 1 and 2) and Federal Form 8611. Include forms that only include Missouri withholding as shown on your Forms W-2, 1099, or 1099-R. Do not include withholding for federal taxes, local taxes, city earnings taxes, other state's withholding, or payments submitted with Form MO-2NR or Form MO-2ENT.
No. 1: you don’t mail in the mock Federal return. You would attach your joint Federal return with your MO return.
No. 2: Attach a copy of your federal return (pages 1 and 2) and Federal Form 8611. Include forms that only include Missouri withholding as shown on your Forms W-2, 1099, or 1099-R. Do not include withholding for federal taxes, local taxes, city earnings taxes, other state's withholding, or payments submitted with Form MO-2NR or Form MO-2ENT.
Thank you very much for your reply. To clarify:
1. I should include the joint Federal return with my MO return. But the numbers on the joint Federal return (income, etc) would be different than the numbers on the MO (separate) return. Would that be a problem?
2. I see the Federal Form 8611 is "Recapture of Low-income Housing Credit". Would this be relevant? I suppose I do not need to attach the W2s and 1099s?
You should include the federal return that was filed, but it would be helpful to include the one you used to prepare the state return, just make sure you make notations on the returns to explain their filing status. I don't see where the form 8611 would be an issue. You only need to attach W-2 forms and forms that list tax withholdings. So, you likely would not need to include the 1099 forms, as they don't usually list tax withheld.
I think this makes sense. So I will need to include the actual federal (jointly) filed, and then include a mock federal tax that keeps only mine MO income, with a handwritten note indicating this is a mock return with separate filing. Right?
Thanks a lot for your help!
You are only required to include pages 1 and 2 of your Form 1040 , You should also include your W-2's or 1099-R's, anything that has withholdings on it. You do not need to include the "mock" Federal Return with your MO return, unless you want to for further explanation. But if you do include it, I would carefully mark it with a complete explanation what it is and what you used it for.
Here's a brief overview of the procedure (see the sections below for detailed steps):
Be sure to name each TurboTax federal return so you know the MFJ federal return to file, and which mock MFS federal and state return is for which person.
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Please Note: According to the Missouri.Gov Website:
Spouses are required to file a “combined” return in Missouri when they file a federal joint return.
However, unlike federal joint returns for husband and wife, a Missouri combined return of a husband and wife does NOT impose “joint and several” liability.
For a combined return, each spouse is only liable for their own tax on their separate income, as adjusted for their determined portions of itemized deductions or the standard deduction, and exemptions, etc.
For this purpose, “separate” income means the income from each spouse’s earned income (e.g., wages), income from the spouse’s separately owned property (e.g., stock), and their portion of the income on jointly owned property, such as dividends on jointly owned stock, which is divided between them and each spouses’ portion listed separately for each spouse.
R.S.Mo. § 143.491. Returns by husband and wife.
1. A combined return shall be filed by a husband and wife who file a joint federal return even though one of them has neither income nor deductions. The tax liability of the two taxpayers shall be separate and not joint and several.
You must submit a written request to have the liability separated. The Department of Revenue will not separate the liability based on a telephone request.
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Thank you very much for your detailed response. I am wondering whether Form 8611 refers to "Recapture of low income housing credit"?
The IRS’ Form 8611 noted initially is, indeed, for reporting the Recapture of Low-Income Housing Credit.
This appears to be a typo, as suggested by ThomasM125, above. I can find no instance in the MO-1040 Instructions that suggests attaching a form with a similar number.
To be clear, it appears you cannot file joint federal and separate Missouri. There is a previous reply that only mentions the first paragraph of the Missouri statute, not the important second paragraph. Essentially, a Missouri "combined" return is the same as a joint return. They should have just used the word "joint" and there would be no confusion. In fact, on the form checkbox itself, it says combined instead of joint. See this explanation from a Missouri attorney's website.
https://www.carnahanlaw.com/missouri-combined-income-tax-liability/
Federal “joint liability”
When you file a “married-joint” federal income tax return, both spouses are liable for 100% of the liability shown on the return, and for any additional liability assessed, such as on audit. The IRS can collect the entire liability for either spouse, even if the tax is a result of income or matters that one spouse did not know about when initially filing the return (e.g., unreported income assessed on later audit).
Even after divorce, the IRS can collect the entire unpaid balance from either spouse, even if the judge in the divorce orders one spouse to pay the entire liability. The IRS was not a party to the divorce and is not bound by the divorce decree.
A spouse can request innocent spouse relief from joint liability, or if the spouse not liable for the other spouses tax debt (e.g. from a separate-married return, or a return from prior to their marriage), they can request injured spouse relief, e.g., to obtain their portion of a tax refund on a new joint return filed with the spouse who owes tax.
Spouses are required to file a “combined” return in Missouri when they file a federal joint return.
However, unlike federal joint returns for husband and wife, a Missouri combined return of a husband and wife does NOT impose “joint and several” liability.
For a combined return, each spouse is only liable for their own tax on their separate income, as adjusted for their determined portions of itemized deductions or the standard deduction, and exemptions, etc.
For this purpose, “separate” income means the income from each spouse’s earned income (e.g., wages), income from the spouse’s separately owned property (e.g., stock), and their portion of the income on jointly owned property, such as dividends on jointly owned stock, which is divided between them and each spouses’ portion listed separately for each spouse.
R.S.Mo. § 143.491. Returns by husband and wife.
1. A combined return shall be filed by a husband and wife who file a joint federal return even though one of them has neither income nor deductions. The tax liability of the two taxpayers shall be separate and not joint and several.
2. Separate returns shall be filed by a husband and wife who do not file a joint federal return.
In Paulson v. Missouri Dept. of Revenue, 961 S.W.2d 63 (Mo.App. W.D.,1998), the court stated “The Paulsons were required to file a combined Missouri return because they filed a joint federal return. Section 143.031. However, the liabilities of Paulson and his wife were separate, not joint and several. Section 143.491.”
An initial problem is the Missouri form on which spouses file a combined returns calculates each spouse’s tax liability separately, but then combines the liability, takes credit for withholding, etc., and records a single liability for both spouses. The Department of Revenue (“DOR”) computer system apparently does not separately track each spouse’s liability.
When calling the DOR, the DOR employee may incorrectly refer to the liability as “joint”, and state or infer that both spouses are liable for the total amount due. Regardless, each spouse is only liable for the tax on their separate income.
You must submit a written request to have the liability separated. The Department of Revenue will not separate the liability based on a telephone request.
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