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Spouse has a traditional IRA, want to explore backdoor Roth

Hello, my spouse has a traditional IRA (few K$). Spouse does not work and never has. We want to explore starting a Roth backdoor for both (I work w-2). What do we have to do if this was to be done for last tax year (2023) and going forward. What would be prudent options for that money. Thanks!

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DanaB27
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Spouse has a traditional IRA, want to explore backdoor Roth

The Backdoor Roth only works as intended if there are no pre-tax funds in the traditional IRA. Otherwise the pro-rata rule applies. This means that with each distribution/ conversion you will have a taxable and nontaxable part.

 

You still can make nondeductible traditional IRA contributions for 2023 and enter this on your 2023 return but the second part the conversion has to be entered on the 2024 return if you are converting the funds in 2024.

 

Please see How do I enter a backdoor Roth IRA conversion? for additional information.

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Spouse has a traditional IRA, want to explore backdoor Roth

If you have no traditional IRA funds, then you can do a "backdoor Roth conversion" fairly easily.  You make a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA, then after the transaction has settled, you roll it over to a Roth IRA.  Any gains are taxable, but the contribution balance is not taxable.  You can do this any time from days to years later.  But most people do it within a few days, so there aren't any earnings to worry about.  (You can specify that the money goes into a cash account so it will only earn a very little or no interest.)

 

You can't do the conversion for 2023, that only happens on the date it happens.  It's not retroactive like contributions.  In your case, you could contribute up to $6500 (or $7500 if over age 50) as a retroactive 2023 contribution (before April 15), then do a rollover to Roth.  Then later in 2024, you can contribute up to $7000 (or $8000) for 2024, and roll it over.  Both conversions will be reported in 2024, since they are reported when they happen, even though one of the contributions will be reported in 2023.  Your spouse can do the same, except part of their conversion will be taxable.

 

For your spouse, they will have to convert their traditional IRA funds to a Roth IRA and pay income tax on the conversion, either before or as part of the backdoor conversion.  (This means all traditional IRA funds.  If you have IRA accounts at more than one broker, they are all added together for determining the tax consequences.)  If you can't pay the tax all at once, you can do it over time, but it will be pro-rated.  For example, suppose your spouse has $10,000 in a traditional IRA.  If you contribute $6500 of new funds toward 2023, and then convert it all in 2024, $10,000 of the conversion (about 60.6%) will be taxable, and you will likely owe $3000+ in state and federal taxes on your 2024 return (depending on your tax bracket and other factors, of course).  From then on, the backdoor Roth would work like yours.  If you only converted the $6500, then $3900 (60%) would still be taxable income, because conversions are pro-rated, and you would be considered to be converting $3900 of the original pre-tax funds and $2600 of the non-deductible funds.  After the conversion, the remaining traditional IRA balance of $10,000 would contain $6100 of pre-tax funds and $3900 of non-deductible funds (because a partial conversion is pro-rated).  This would go on until you convert all of the traditional IRA to a Roth which will eventually zero out the pre-tax balance. 

Spouse has a traditional IRA, want to explore backdoor Roth

I’m in exactly the same boat, and we’re about to do this, by rolling over all of both our existing traditional IRAs ($25k combined) into Roths, and then doing backdoor roth going forward for many years. 

To your question of “is this prudent”, I’m pretty sure the answer is a clear yes. I’m not a professional, others should keep me honest if I’m missing something. 

The downside is a one-time up-front cost of let’s say $3k penalty from pro rata in the above example. The benefit (vs simply investing an equivalent amount in a standard mutual fund) is avoided capital gains tax on all the growth from up to $14k invested each year (7k limit for each partner). Since we’re not retiring for ~30 years, let’s say investments today will roughly 10x in our lifetimes. So I think the benefits from just the 2024 contribution is ballpark $21k ($140k growth * .15 capital gains tax). And then stacking this benefit for every year of backdoor Roth contributions, the benefit seems to clearly exceed the cost. 

Spouse has a traditional IRA, want to explore backdoor Roth

Also… just came across this video, he does a similar calculation at the end and comes up with $81k of total lifetime tax savings for a married couple with 20 years until retirement. So clearly seems to be worth the one time pro rata rule penalty to convert the existing IRA.  https://youtu.be/uTtu-iAHcdQ?si=_faunGZlTHXuC8OS

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