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non deductible traditional IRA contribution to Roth


@bhJogdt wrote:

Hello, Thanks for the good insight of how to manage traditional and Roth and how it taxed.

Just one question to came in mind if I can do traditional rollover any other type of retirement plan rather than converting to Roth that could offer by the any brokerage firms? 


This chart shows what kinds of rollovers are allowed, depending on the source.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/rollover_chart.pdf

 

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/rollovers-of-retirement-plan-and-ira-...

 

However, when you have a mixture of deductible and non-deductible money in your traditional IRAs, you have a bit more to be careful about what kind of rollovers you do. For example, if you want to rollover your IRA into a 401k at a new employer, you can't choose to just rollover the deductible portion.

non deductible traditional IRA contribution to Roth

Good Morning, Since 2023 contribution is only non deductible,Could I withdraw 2023 IRA contribution and then convert into the 401k? If I withdraw $6500, is it going to be an issue ? if I am allowed withdraw do I have to amend tax return ?  Thanks

 

non deductible traditional IRA contribution to Roth


@bhJogdt wrote:

Good Morning, Since 2023 contribution is only non deductible,Could I withdraw 2023 IRA contribution and then convert into the 401k? If I withdraw $6500, is it going to be an issue ? if I am allowed withdraw do I have to amend tax return ?  Thanks

 


No.  All your IRA money is now co-mingled.  Everything follows the pro-rata rule.  If your combined IRAs are now 20% non-deductible and 80% deductible, every withdrawal, conversion and rollover will be 20% non-deductible money and 80% deductible money.  

 

If you want to do real backdoor Roth IRAs in the future, you have to zero out your traditional IRAs.  If you rollover the money to a Roth IRA, it will be mostly taxable (because most of the money was not taxed before).  On the other hand, if you rollover all your combined traditional IRA funds to a 401k, then what will happen is the $6500 that was non-deductible in the IRA will lose the non-deductible designation, and become part of the general pre-tax 401k.  You will then pay income tax on that $6500 when you withdraw it after you retire.  Certainly, paying tax on $6500 in the future may be easier than paying income tax on $38,000 now.  But you lose the advantage of making that non-deductible contribution.

 

The bottom line really is that once you mingled deductible and non-deductible funds in your IRAs, you can't just withdraw or rollover or separate the non-deductible funds. 

non deductible traditional IRA contribution to Roth


@bhJogdt wrote:

hello, I was referring to withdrawal of 2023 contribution I made towards traditional IRA and amend t...

 

 

https://www.fidelity.com/bin-public/060_www_fidelity_com/documents/customer-service/IRA_RETURN_EXCES... 

 


That is for the withdrawal of an excess contribution.  You don't have an excess contribution, you have a contribution you regret making.  

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