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2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

well your excess is $68.

You can remove that now  before April 15th, as a straight distribution of $68. IRS will waive any penalty after you explain what happened on your 2024 tax return with Form 5329 attached.

If you are stressed you should file for an extension, that gives you until Oct 15th to take out the $68.. It is not taxable since it is your own money.

Consult your custodian to obtain the correct removal form for distribution request..

 

@helpplease44 

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

I am sorry and hope I am making sense but I am very confused right now.

 

I contributed the full $6,500 on 2/9/24 for prior year 2023. 

I then discovered I had overcontributed to my RothIRA for 2023 of $2537.00 based on my modified adjusted gross income that was made in 2023.

I then had the bank (which took them 6 months of me asking) to withdraw both the excess contribution of $2537.00 and the excess earnings withdrawal of $67.78 (that was all accrued only from Feb-Sept, 2024- none of the interest was made in 2023 since all of this took place in 2024).

 

If I add the $67.78 as earned in 2023 on the 2a box of 2024 1099-R form on my 2023 taxes, it is showing as if that $67.78 was earned in 2023 which it was not. It was interest solely from 2024 (Feb-Sept, 2024). 

 

Can I instead report the 2024 1099-R form as it is listed without any of the taxable amount in 2a on my amended 2023 taxes. Then add the correct $67.78 somewhere on my 2024 taxes to pay the taxes due on that for 2024 since none of that was made in 2023?

 

Because otherwise this $67.78 that was made in 2024 is now again affecting my 2023 taxes. I would not be able to fix this with just an extension since the extension would only be for 2024. I did not contribute anything to my rothIRA for 2024 to avoid this mistake again.

 

I really appreciate you taking the time to read my questions and help me because I am in need of help with this to resolve this.

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

@DanaB27 any help with this as well? I was reading your responses from other posts too.

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

You are confused because you are confusing actions taken in one year but reportable in a diffrent tax year.

 

You have until TaxDay 2025, including extensions if ask for that. to handle this 2023 issue on your 2024 tax return.

request an extension and put it away for three days, Come back then and hopefully it should be clear to you what to do.

 

@helpplease44 

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

I just asked for extension for 2024 taxes and have not yet filed my amended 2023 taxes.

 

I am confused on your instructions on what to do. For the straight distribution of $68, what do you mean? 

 

Sorry, I am trying my best to understand.

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

If you amend 2023 correctly, the $68 should show up on Form 5329 line 23.

I was wrong, you can't request a waiver of that penalty of 68 x .06 =  $4.08

 

@helpplease44 

DanaB27
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2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

As fanfare stated the 2024 Form 1099-R with code P and J belongs on your 2023 return. Yes, earnings will increase you MAGI and therefore can create a new excess contribution.  

 

As fanfare stated you will have to pay the 6% on your 2023 if you have a new excess contribution because of the earnings. You do not have to pay the 6% penalty on your 2024 return if you can apply the excess as a 2024 contribution. 

 

On your 2024 return:

 

  1. Click on “Jump to IRA contributions"
  2. Select “Roth IRA
  3. On the "Do you have any Excess Roth Contributions" answer "Yes"
  4. On the "Enter Excess Contributions" screen enter the total excess contribution from 2023
  5. On the "How Much Excess to 2024?" screen apply the excess as 2024 contribution.

 

If you cannot apply the excess as 2024 contribution then you have to pay the 6% on your 2024 return. You will take a regular distribution without the earnings to remove this new excess. You will get a 2025 Form 1099-R with code J (if you are under 59 1/2) and this will resolve the excess contribution on your 2025 return.

 

 

Did you ever clarify with your custodian why they entered $0 in box 2a as earnings when you think you have earnings of $67.78? Technically, if it states you had $0 earnings in box 2a then you would not need to amend the 2023 return since the 2024 Form 1099-R with code PJ with $0 in box 2a shows you had no earnings to report. You should verify with your custodian.

 

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I don't think he's confused at all. I just think he doesn't know what to do. 

I have the exact same situation and don't know what to do either. Please try to explain 😉

My (ex) custodian sent 2 1099R forms for 2024, one coded P and one coded X. They put  in Trad IRA contributions (from my taxable assets)  for 2023 ( 7500) and 2024 (8000) in Feb. 2024. I wasn't eligible for either, thus 2 excess contributions. They were removed from the IRAs and the forms say nothing is taxable. 

Questions:

1- They were in there for a few wks. I imagine they both incurred some interest, though I dont know. Wouldn't that be taxable income? If they didnt include can I assume there was none and that maybe it even lost money? 

 

2-I have no taxable income to report, as of now and my taxes are due soon. Custodian didnt report any. if there was any though, like his, the 2024 would go on which form? And pertinent to what he is asking, where would the  interest from the 2023 go? it was earned in 2024 so it seems it must go on the 2024 return. So why would the 2023 need to be amended? There was no extra income earned. And the IRA never happened so no tax consequences on the principal. 

So I dont understand ( and I dont think he does either) why the 2023 needs to be amended ? I understand our cases are slightly different. it would help to speak in language as simple as possible because so much stress accompanies this. I want to avoid an extension if possible. and when you say 'no penalties if you explain what happened" to IRS- you mean indicate it was a simple mistake? Seems if you were doing it intentionally you would never report you had excess/ disallowed contributions.

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

I was told that " 

If you accidentally overcontributed to a Roth IRA, you need to withdraw the excess amount including any earnings before your tax filing deadline to avoid a 6% penalty each year the excess remains in the account. 

 

he did withdraw before 4/15/25. So why would he have to pay the penalty? Or am I missing something? I over contributed to a Trad IRA. But the custodian left the earnings in there. is there a penalty if I remove that before the 15th? thanks.

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

I wrote the above before you indicated the penalty is intact. sorry . and I understand that if he has earnings he has to amend the 2023 return.

Mine also says 0 in the earnings box but I cant understand how there were no earnings in the maybe 3-4 wks it was in there. I didn't ask explicitly for them to withdraw associated earnings because that seemed so obvious. But the person above says he did take out the 68.00 so not clear why it said 0.

. I have now asked my ex-custodian what the earnings were as I have no other way of knowing and if I'm right have a few days to withdraw those earnings as a distribution and avoid the 6% penalty from what I have read. and this is true even if I get an extension, which I likely will.

If there were no earnings but decrease in value what happens then? They withdrew the original amount we put in. many thanks for your expertise. I;m new to dealing with my own returns and new to Intuit so pls excuse any breaches of etiquette. I just realized my problem days before tax day.

DanaB27
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2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

1) If you show $0 in box 2a then it seems you had no earnings with this return of excess contribution.

 

2) If you have no earnings in box 2a then you do not need to amend the 2023 return since only earnings would be taxable. All that TurboTax would do is to add an explanation statement.  

 

If someone has earnings on a 2024 Form 1099-R with code P and J then you need to amend the 2023 return since the code P on a 2024 Form 1099-R means "Excess contributions plus earnings/excess deferrals (and/or earnings) taxable in 2023".  Also, Pub 590-A states "Include the earnings in income for the year in which you made the contributions, not the year in which you withdraw them". And technically a contribution made in 2024 for 2023 is deemed to have been made in 2023.

 

You do not need to pay the 6% penalty if you requested the return of excess contributions and earnings. Please make sure you indicate in the IRA contribution interview that you withdrew the excess contribution by the due date:

 

  1. Click on "Search" on the top right and type “IRA contributions”
  2. Click on “Jump to IRA contributions"
  3. Select “Traditional IRA
  4. Enter the Traditional IRA contribution
  5. Continue until the penalty screen and enter the excess contribution amount withdrawn.

 

 

Pub 590-A states: "You won’t have to pay the 6% tax if any 2023 excess contribution was withdrawn by April 15, 2024 (including extensions), and if any 2024 excess contribution is withdrawn by April 15, 2025 (including extensions)". Therefore, you have until October 15th, 2025 to remove the excess contribution plus earnings. 

 

If you had no earnings then it is fine that the custodian only returned the contribution. You will add the 2024 1099-R with code 8 on your 2024 return so TurboTax can add the explanation statement.  

 

[Edited 4/11/2025| 10:36 am PST]

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2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

HI Dana- Thanks very much for this response but appears perhapsI was unclear.

The excess contributions were NOT to Roth IRA but to Trad IRA. The mistake was my custodian.

In Feb of 2024, they put in those IRA contributions at my request: 7500 for 2023 and 8000 for 2024. I asked them to remove 3 wks later as I realized I hadn't/ wasn't going to be earning. They took out both as excess contributions. BUT they neglected to remove the earnings (NIA) ! I didnt realize this till I got the 2 1099s both end of March. Each had amount of distribution with taxable part as zero.  I had switched custodians- we called and they apologized but nothing they could do. 

 

The earnings were about 79 on 2023 and 40 in 2024. We just put those back in Trad IRA. I need to finish my 2024 return tomorrow and need to know what to do. I know I need that Form- do I list the original and the earnings as the separate excess contributions they were? Then what?  They gave me options for the excess 40 and want to now apply that to 2024 which I can do as I have nothing contributed. ( Easier for me than having another excess contribution to deal with next yr). will the software allow me to pay the tax on that? and is there a 6%penalty given I put everything back? I'm confused in that though it;s 2025 now it's still within the time available to contribute money to a 2024 IRA. yet it asks what yr you put it in ( 2024) and what year you took it out (2025). So it's not clear about penalty .

 

It's so helpful when you list exactly what to do as a recipe. I didnt expect to be right at deadline. Very stressful

 

As for 2023, I know I need to amend that return. Same form? Besides tax I know there will be penalty . now that earnings are returned do I pay penalty twice since it's now 2025?

 

It would be helpful too if you delineate the difference between the cases above w Roth IRA and this case, other than that they dont have to pay any tax and I do. 

 

Thank you so,so  very much and hope I hear today as I wont have time to do return next week. 

 

2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

I should add that just like NeedsHelp above, line 2a says 0 BECAUSE they neglected to take out the earnings.'

We contacted them yesterday and there were indeed earnings, as I knew there had to be given amount of contribution and time it was in. So we have now put back the 2 earnings into Trad IRA and have 2 more Excess Contributions to deal with. There is however no 1099R this year for these. I know it will come next year .But I am paying tax now and want to pay the tax on it now since there is interest. Can I do that? or must I just consider the 2 that have 0 without the NIA on this tax return and wait till next year? This is so confusing because I have the right information now and want to correct it right now. I dont want to have to amend this return- knowing before I've even completed it that it's wrong. Can I do that despite not having 1099-R for the 2024 excess earnings contribution? Clearly I have to amend the 2023 return now. thanks.

 

DanaB27
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2023 Excess Roth IRA Contribution Made in 2024

To clarify, the Form 1099-Rs you received, one Form 1099-R had code P and the other had the code 8? Box 1 shows $7,500 for the returned 2023 excess contribution and $8,000 for the 2024 excess contribution but box 2a show $0 for both?

These would be correct codes for return of excess contributions from a Traditional IRA, so it is weird that they didn't include the earning in box 2a when you had earnings allocated to these contributions.

 

What do you mean with "we have now put back the 2 earnings into Trad IRA"? Did you move money back into the Trad IRA? That would be a new contribution for 2024. Can you make contributions for 2024?

 

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Yes, that is exactly right. I didn't see the 1099s till I got them 2 wks ago, and it was clear to me they'd made errors. In fact, it wasn't till my current custodian ( switched a month ago) asked them what the earnings were from last year that we even knew them. They had to go. look it up!  When I asked about line 2a, they apologized ( this is UBS) for the mistake, which was that they never took out the earnings, didnt think about them apparently, and therefore put 0 in the box when the excessive contributions were returned. But said there was nothing they could do. I asked them to revise the 1099s but they declined. They were not competent; they didnt consider earnings last year, didn't remove them also as they should have, and didn't include them in box 2a. Hence my not knowing what to do now.

 

Yes the money was put back into the Trad IRA last yr when I realized do either Trad IRA. That's what generated the 1099s in the first place. There is no IRA for either year. I misspoke -I meant the earnings were never taken back from the IRAs, not Put back. That would be the new excessive contributions for 2024 and 2023. My new custodian will put them back but there is no 1099 that reflects the earnings. It's because I cannot make contributions for 2023 or 2024 currently ( I;m, retired but didnt realized same rules apply to Trad as Roth about earned income cause I've only done Roth since 1998). I was told I could apply those earnings from 2024 to 2025 since we are in 2025 and I can certainly earn 40.00  during the rest of the year  thereby being eligible for that.  Is that correct? For 2023 it's too late to earn more money so I'd just remove it from IRA to taxable acct and then have to pay the tax, interest and the 6% penalty on amended US and state return.

But again, no 1099 to reference for this. 

Be better to do this before the 15th because after that I get another 6% penalty on the 2023 and accrue a new one on the 2024. Im not worried about these small amounts of money.  But I've gotten conflicting advice. 

A money manager friend who has a big financial services company in Manhattan says he sees mistakes on 1099s all the time, sometimes big mistakes. In some cases he goes back to the custodian- sometimes they fix and sometimes they won't . He said the IRS sees what I see on the 1099 and he suggested just letting it go. it was not my error. Because I will end up with more 1099s for excessive contributions next year. And I will have to amend both my 2023 returns to reflect the new income ( tax on 79.50). 

I dont know what to do. Custodian made mistake, takes no responsibility. New custodian said they'll do what I want. Told them first to take out the earnings from the 2 IRAs and they were going to do that before Tuesday. Then I said forget it. I'll pay my tax ( estimated ) for the year and maybe take an extension to think about what to do. I used to do my own taxes in hard copy before these sites. so that's why I know anything at all. I was told many laypeople wouldnt realize there was an issue at all -the ones who rotely fill out the forms- and take the 1099 at face value because that's what we receive. 

Please let me know what you would do. it's late and I only have a few days to figure this out. 

My new custodian will prob be upset because they got messed up in all this since they now have the accounts if I once again switch to do something now. You can see why I left old custodian.  thanks. I hope I hear from you soon as it is now Friday night.

 

 

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