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Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Hello all,

 

I have filed my returns for 2024 and this is the first time I was alerted by the Turbotax software that my contributions to my Roth IRA for 2024 are considered excess. This occurred because a conversion for my 401k to Roth 401k significantly bumped up my 2024 income to the limit such that the entire $7k contribution made to my IRA in 2024 is excess.

 

I need help with the next steps to properly withdraw the excess amount as I am aware that I have to withdraw both the original contribution plus any earnings.

 

This is my situation. I typically save $$ so that I max out my Roth IRA at the beginning of every year, so currently I have made $7k contributions for both 2024 and 2025 already. They are already completely invested in securities i.e. no cash in retirement account. When I filed my return for 2024, the 6% penalty was already added to the overall federal return amount.

 

Since I have time to withdraw the excess amount before the filing extension deadline, what are my next steps?

 

These are some questions I have:

1. Should I calculate and withdraw the amount myself? From the IRS calculations, I would withdraw 7k + earnings calculated from the FMV the moment the excess contribution was added until the FMV when I withdraw the amount.

2. Does the 2025 contribution impact my calculations in any way?

3. Should I contact my bank (JPMorgan Chase) to assist in calculations and withdrawal process to make the withdrawal amount is accurate.

4. I am aware that once I withdraw the amount, I will have to amend my file return and I will be receiving forms that involve the tax and penalty on my earnings. What are those specific forms?

 

Appreciate anyone who can help out with this issue. I can answer any questions that clarify the context above.

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Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

OK, got it.  So then, did you already file your return?  If you plan to remove the excess on time, you would not pay the 6% penalty.  

 

1. No, the IRA custodian will do it for you.  You need to tell them that you must "withdraw excess", don't just make a regular withdrawal.  They will know what to do.

2. No.

3. Yes.  In fact, you must ask for a "withdrawal of excess contribution" to perform the procedure correctly.  If you only withdraw the excess as a regular withdrawal, you are following a different procedure. 

4. If you have already filed and paid the 6% penalty, but you want to do the "removal of excess procedure", then this is what happens:

 

1. The IRA custodian sends you your contribution plus the attributed earnings.  This is taxable on your 2024 return even though the withdrawal occurs in 2025.

2. Prepare an amended return.  Start by reporting the excess Roth, but tell Turbotax you will remove the excess on time.  That will remove the 6% penalty, leading to a credit adjustment as part of the amended return.

3. You will need to include a substitute 1099-R for the withdrawal, since you won't get an actual 1099-R until next year.  Put the entire amount of the withdrawal in box 1, and the taxable amount (attributed earnings, as calculated by the IRA custodian) in box 2a.  Enter codes P and J in box 7.  You will pay income tax on the earnings, but they are not subject to an additional 10% penalty because of changes in the SECURE 2.0 act a couple years ago.  

4. Depending on the amount of earnings (subject to income tax) and your tax rate, your amended return  might have you owing more tax or getting a refund, after you pay the tax on the earnings but get credit for the penalty you no longer owe.  

 

Now, if you earned more than 6% on your contribution, and want to leave it in the IRA because the earnings are more than the penalty, there is a way you can do that as well, I can give those details if you want.  

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Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

A conversion is not a contribution and conversions do not count against your contribution limit.

 

When preparing your return, conversions are ONLY entered by means of the 1099-R from the traditional IRA, you do not also enter them as contributions.

 

Go back and re-check to see if you really have an excess Roth IRA contribution. 

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

I don't think you understand the context of question. I was stating the reason why I have an excess contribution for 2024. This is due to a 2024 conversion from a 401k to Roth 401k that creates a taxable event that bumps up my MAGI and thus hitting the IRS limit, disallowing me from making an IRA contribution that year.

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

OK, got it.  So then, did you already file your return?  If you plan to remove the excess on time, you would not pay the 6% penalty.  

 

1. No, the IRA custodian will do it for you.  You need to tell them that you must "withdraw excess", don't just make a regular withdrawal.  They will know what to do.

2. No.

3. Yes.  In fact, you must ask for a "withdrawal of excess contribution" to perform the procedure correctly.  If you only withdraw the excess as a regular withdrawal, you are following a different procedure. 

4. If you have already filed and paid the 6% penalty, but you want to do the "removal of excess procedure", then this is what happens:

 

1. The IRA custodian sends you your contribution plus the attributed earnings.  This is taxable on your 2024 return even though the withdrawal occurs in 2025.

2. Prepare an amended return.  Start by reporting the excess Roth, but tell Turbotax you will remove the excess on time.  That will remove the 6% penalty, leading to a credit adjustment as part of the amended return.

3. You will need to include a substitute 1099-R for the withdrawal, since you won't get an actual 1099-R until next year.  Put the entire amount of the withdrawal in box 1, and the taxable amount (attributed earnings, as calculated by the IRA custodian) in box 2a.  Enter codes P and J in box 7.  You will pay income tax on the earnings, but they are not subject to an additional 10% penalty because of changes in the SECURE 2.0 act a couple years ago.  

4. Depending on the amount of earnings (subject to income tax) and your tax rate, your amended return  might have you owing more tax or getting a refund, after you pay the tax on the earnings but get credit for the penalty you no longer owe.  

 

Now, if you earned more than 6% on your contribution, and want to leave it in the IRA because the earnings are more than the penalty, there is a way you can do that as well, I can give those details if you want.  

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Thank you so much for your response! I am wary of doing anything manually as I know the risk of an irreversible taxable/penalty event if I did not perform the procedure correctly.

 

Yes, my current situation is that I have already filed my 2024 federal and state returns and I am therefore working towards withdrawing my excess contribution before the deadline get back my credit for the 6% penalty i.e. situation number 4 as you described.

 

Based on your response, my decided next steps are contacting my investment bank and initiating a "withdrawal of excess contribution" and I assume that they will calculate the original contribution and all associated earnings for tax year 2024.

 

I see that Turbotax has an amended return option. Do I perform all the reporting steps there? When you say to report the excess to Turbotax, isn't that what I included in the original filing? So therefore, I would go to the amended return option and report that I will withdraw the excess before the deadline, and thus get credit back for the penalty? 

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Because you already filed, you have until Oct 15 to take the corrective action.

Once you know the custodian's calculations, you can amend your return to remove the penalty

See Pub 590B or 590A for an example.

 

@SageofW 

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

The instructions for your situation is covered in Pub 590A

@SageofW 

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Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Will you please provide details on how to leave it in the IRA because the earnings are more than the penalty.

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024


@MH251 wrote:

Will you please provide details on how to leave it in the IRA because the earnings are more than the penalty.


In that case, you leave the excess contribution in the account and pay the 6% penalty.  Then you have some options in 2025.  If you will be eligible for Roth contributions, don't make any.  When you file your 2025 return, you can apply the 2024 excess against your 2025 contribution limit.  That will zero out the 6% penalty and allow you to leave the contributions and earnings in the account.  Or, if you already made a 2025 contribution, then you take a regular withdrawal of the amount of 2024 excess.  Because withdrawals of contributions are tax-free, this should be a tax-free withdrawal unless you have previously made large withdrawals that exceed your contributions.  You don't have to remove the excess earnings, because that procedure doesn't apply here.  You just take out the excess amount so that it doesn't continue to earn.

 

Either way, the net result is that you withdraw the excess contribution, or don't make a 2025 contribution, both of which reduce your future earnings more or less the same as if you had removed the excess using the standard procedure, but you leave the earnings in the account. 

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024


@SageofW wrote:

 

I see that Turbotax has an amended return option. Do I perform all the reporting steps there? When you say to report the excess to Turbotax, isn't that what I included in the original filing? So therefore, I would go to the amended return option and report that I will withdraw the excess before the deadline, and thus get credit back for the penalty? 


It should be easy to follow.   When you originally filed and reported the $7500 contribution and Turbotax told you it was excess for 2024, it should have given you the option to say "I will withdraw the excess before the filing deadline" and you must have said "no."  When you start the amending process, go back to the IRA contribution section, review or "revisit" your answers, and change your answer to "yes, I will remove the excess."

 

Then go to the income page, go to the section for 1099-R (retirement income), select that you will enter it yourself, and check the box for substitute 1099-R.  Enter the total withdrawal in box 1, the taxable earnings in box 2a (this figure will come from the custodian) and enter code P and J in box 7. 

 

 

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Thank you. Can you share more about how to fill out 1099-R? Are those the only boxes to check/fill out? Do I have worry about long term vs. short term capital gains?

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024

Can you explain more about not having to withdraw excess earnings? My understanding is that to avoid the 6% penalty, you have to withdraw both the original contribution plus the earnings as calculated per IRS NIA formula of that excess portion?

Need Help with Addressing Excess IRA Contributions for Tax Year 2024


@SageofW wrote:

Can you explain more about not having to withdraw excess earnings? My understanding is that to avoid the 6% penalty, you have to withdraw both the original contribution plus the earnings as calculated per IRS NIA formula of that excess portion?


There are two slightly different conversations happening in this thread, so check who is responding to whom.

 

To remove the excess and avoid a penalty, you must contact the IRA custodian and request a removal of excess contribution before April 15, 2025.  This is not a regular withdrawal, you must ask for the special procedure.  The custodian will send you back your contribution plus the NIA earnings--they know to do this automatically as part of the process.  This is reported as income on your 2024 return even though the earnings are not returned until 2025.  To report the earnings correctly in Turbotax, you must report as if you got a 1099-R.  Put the total amount that was returned in box 1, the NIA earnings in box 2a, and use code P and J in box 7. Ignore all the other boxes.  The return of contributions is not taxable, the NIA earnings are taxable but not subject to a 10% penalty for early withdrawal. 

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