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How to calculate earnings of recharacterization from Roth back to regular IRA. The formula my advisor's firm uses makes no sense?

On 1/16/17 I converted $40,000 from my regular IRA to my Roth. On 1/29/18, I recharacterized $25,000 of it back to regular IRA. It was in Roth 378 days. It was invested in CDs earning around 1.5%. The earnings, using that premise, that would need to be returned along with the $25,000 is $388. There were other investments in the Roth. The formula my investment advisor's firm used came up with a figure of $6817 for the earnings  on the $25,000 for those 378 days. There were no other deposits or withdrawls into or out of the Roth. My research found a formula to calculate interest which basically is: the closing balance of Roth prior to recharacterization less the opening balance of Roth including the original $40,000 conversion divided by the opening balance. Since the other assets in the Roth during the period were some mutual funds which appreciated, that formula resulted in $1,082 of earnings based on the 4.32% return. My advisor's firm contends that the "adjusted" opening balance (adjusted for all other ins and outs of which there were none) is the balance prior to the $40,000 conversion and the adjustment is only the $25,000 recharacterization and not the $40,000 conversion. The actual figures are: value of Roth prior to conversion is $40,786; the conversion is $40,000 and the value prior to $25,000 recharacterization is $81,162. Am I wrong? You can contact me directly at [email address removed]. Thanks.

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dmertz
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How to calculate earnings of recharacterization from Roth back to regular IRA. The formula my advisor's firm uses makes no sense?

If the value of the Roth IRA was $40,786 immediately prior to the $40,000 Roth conversion into this account (resulting in a value immediately after the conversion of $80,786) your adjusted opening balance is $80,786.  With and adjusted closing balance of the Roth IRA of $81,162 immediately prior to the recharacterization distribution:

$81,162 / $80,786 = 1.00465427 or a gain of 0.465427%

The calculation listed in CFR 1.408-11 is simply a rearrangement of the above:

($81,612 - $80,786) / $80,786 = 0.465427%

0.465427% * $25,000 = $116.36 of gain attributable to the $25,000 being returned.

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How to calculate earnings of recharacterization from Roth back to regular IRA. The formula my advisor's firm uses makes no sense?

as I understand it earnings are calculated proportionally, that is period earnings x ( 25,000 / total ROTH IRA value ). If you had mutual funds in there that rose substantially, then that gain is counted partially as earnings.
Yes, only the earnings on the $25,000 would go back to the Traditional IRA.

The earnings don't get reported on your return, only the nominal amount ($25,000).
dmertz
Level 15

How to calculate earnings of recharacterization from Roth back to regular IRA. The formula my advisor's firm uses makes no sense?

If the value of the Roth IRA was $40,786 immediately prior to the $40,000 Roth conversion into this account (resulting in a value immediately after the conversion of $80,786) your adjusted opening balance is $80,786.  With and adjusted closing balance of the Roth IRA of $81,162 immediately prior to the recharacterization distribution:

$81,162 / $80,786 = 1.00465427 or a gain of 0.465427%

The calculation listed in CFR 1.408-11 is simply a rearrangement of the above:

($81,612 - $80,786) / $80,786 = 0.465427%

0.465427% * $25,000 = $116.36 of gain attributable to the $25,000 being returned.

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