I wanted to ask for guidance on my situation before I move forward with withdrawing, mailing, or amending, in case I might not need to. While researching how to resolve my excess Roth IRA Contributions, I've come across advice and information that have only brought up more questions; Please help!
I had income up until June 2022, and I contributed $30 to my Roth IRA on Fidelity Investments in early 2023 before the tax-filing deadline of April 18, 2023. After the tax-filing deadline, with $0 income throughout all of 2023 and no unemployment income, I contributed another $30 to my Roth IRA, not knowing that it would count as excess contributions because the $30 exceeded my income. After this, I haven't contributed to my Roth IRA because I have had $0 income since then.
When I filed my 2023 tax return on TT, I put $60 as my excess contributions thinking that I had to include all of my contributions in total of the year 2023, so I paid a 6% penalty of $4 in my 2023 tax return for keeping the excess in my Fidelity Investments account for a year. I haven't withdrawn the excess amount from my core cash on Fidelity Investments yet, either, because I don't know if I'm supposed to withdraw $60 + all earnings ($36.31), or if I'm supposed to withdraw $30 + all earnings to date ($16.56), or I'm supposed to withdraw a different amount. Also, I'm younger than 59 1/2, so I think there'll be a penalty when I withdraw, and I want to make sure I withdraw the correct amount from my core cash. I calculated my earnings by using the IRS' formula I found on Investopedia. I'm unsure if I can drop links here, so I won't.
1) $30 of my 2023 contributions were made before the 2022 tax filing deadline of April 18, 2023. Am I correct to think that these contributions count toward my 2022 Roth IRA Contributions? 2022 is the year I had income which was definitely greater than $30.
2) Should have put $30 instead of $60 when reporting my excess Roth IRA contributions in my 2023 tax return? If so, does that mean I need to submit Form 5329 and 1040X and make the change to $30 instead of the $60? I believe I read that I can do this electronically on TT since I've been filing with TT for several years.
3) I got married in October 2024, and my husband and I plan to do our taxes this year Married Filing Jointly on TT. Will all of my forms have to be submitted ASAP before we file together? Or should I include these forms when we do file?
4) I realize I will have to pay the 6% penalty again because I haven't withdrawn the excess amount from my Fidelity Investments account for another year, but I'm not sure if my excess amount is $30 or $60, so I don't know how much to withdraw!
5) If the $60 I reported on my 2023 Tax Return is correct, and I don't need to submit a 1040X to amend, then should I immediately mail a printed 2023 version or 2024 version of Form 5329 to the IRS with a check to pay for the penalty of having it in my account for another year? If so, I'm assuming it will be $4 again since I haven't contributed to my Roth IRA since then.
6) How much do I withdraw from my core cash on Fidelity at this point? Do I include the earnings/losses?
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1. Am I correct to think that these contributions count toward my 2022 Roth IRA Contributions?
That depends on what you told the plan. It could have been applied to 2022, but that would not have been automatic. It depends on what you told them. It will be recorded on your 2022 and 2023 form 5498 issued by the plan.
2. Should have put $30 instead of $60 when reporting my excess Roth IRA contributions in my 2023 tax return?
That depends on #1. Either you have a $30 excess for 2023, or you have a $60 excess for 2023. If you filed with a $60 excess and paid the penalty ($3.60), and you discover that the first $30 was applied to 2022, then you could amend and report a $30 excess, and get a refund of $1.80 of the penalty you previously paid. I would probably not bother to change it even if you were wrong, since the amount is so small. You should generally use mail tracking when you file an amended return, and that will cost way more than the amended refund.
3. I got married in October 2024, and my husband and I plan to do our taxes this year Married Filing Jointly on TT.
Congratulations. Since I don't think you should bother amending 2023 for less than $2, you can file 2024 any time.
4. I realize I will have to pay the 6% penalty again because I haven't withdrawn the excess amount from my Fidelity Investments account for another year, but I'm not sure if my excess amount is $30 or $60, so I don't know how much to withdraw!
No. Married changes everything.
5. should I immediately mail a printed 2023 version or 2024 version of Form 5329 to the IRS with a check to pay for the penalty of having it in my account for another year?
Your 2024 return will include a form 5329 to close out the situation. Don't do anything separate or extra. Just file when you are ready.
6. How much do I withdraw from my core cash on Fidelity at this point? Do I include the earnings/losses?
Probably nothing. Marriage changes everything.
Why does marriage change things? As long as your income allows you and your spouse to make Roth contributions for 2024, you don't need to remove any excess. You can apply the 2023 excess to your 2024 limit. You "use up" the excess by applying the 2023 excess as a 2024 contribution. And even if you don't work, you can contribute to a Roth IRA if your spouse worked. This all happens on form 5329, just file your tax return and pay attention to questions about Roth contributions, past Roth contributions and so on.
If you and your spouse's income is so high that you can't contribute to a Roth for 2024, then you would pay a 6% penalty on your 2024 return. Then you can withdraw $60 in 2025 and that will zero out the excess. You don't have to withdraw earnings because the timeline for that special procedure is expired, and withdrawal of contributions is not taxable or subject to a penalty, it would have to be reported in 2025 but would not be taxable.
So since I've posted this, I've learned that my automatic transfers to my Roth IRA are applied to the current calendar year, meaning all $60 of my 2023 contributions are excess contributions. I would have had to make manual contributions before the 2022 Filing Deadline of April 18, 2023 to apply them to my 2022 contribution total.
This means I won't submit Form 1040x because I correctly reported $60 as my excess Roth IRA contributions. This answers questions 1 and 2 for me.
1. Am I correct to think that these contributions count toward my 2022 Roth IRA Contributions?
That depends on what you told the plan. It could have been applied to 2022, but that would not have been automatic. It depends on what you told them. It will be recorded on your 2022 and 2023 form 5498 issued by the plan.
2. Should have put $30 instead of $60 when reporting my excess Roth IRA contributions in my 2023 tax return?
That depends on #1. Either you have a $30 excess for 2023, or you have a $60 excess for 2023. If you filed with a $60 excess and paid the penalty ($3.60), and you discover that the first $30 was applied to 2022, then you could amend and report a $30 excess, and get a refund of $1.80 of the penalty you previously paid. I would probably not bother to change it even if you were wrong, since the amount is so small. You should generally use mail tracking when you file an amended return, and that will cost way more than the amended refund.
3. I got married in October 2024, and my husband and I plan to do our taxes this year Married Filing Jointly on TT.
Congratulations. Since I don't think you should bother amending 2023 for less than $2, you can file 2024 any time.
4. I realize I will have to pay the 6% penalty again because I haven't withdrawn the excess amount from my Fidelity Investments account for another year, but I'm not sure if my excess amount is $30 or $60, so I don't know how much to withdraw!
No. Married changes everything.
5. should I immediately mail a printed 2023 version or 2024 version of Form 5329 to the IRS with a check to pay for the penalty of having it in my account for another year?
Your 2024 return will include a form 5329 to close out the situation. Don't do anything separate or extra. Just file when you are ready.
6. How much do I withdraw from my core cash on Fidelity at this point? Do I include the earnings/losses?
Probably nothing. Marriage changes everything.
Why does marriage change things? As long as your income allows you and your spouse to make Roth contributions for 2024, you don't need to remove any excess. You can apply the 2023 excess to your 2024 limit. You "use up" the excess by applying the 2023 excess as a 2024 contribution. And even if you don't work, you can contribute to a Roth IRA if your spouse worked. This all happens on form 5329, just file your tax return and pay attention to questions about Roth contributions, past Roth contributions and so on.
If you and your spouse's income is so high that you can't contribute to a Roth for 2024, then you would pay a 6% penalty on your 2024 return. Then you can withdraw $60 in 2025 and that will zero out the excess. You don't have to withdraw earnings because the timeline for that special procedure is expired, and withdrawal of contributions is not taxable or subject to a penalty, it would have to be reported in 2025 but would not be taxable.
1 & 2) I've found out that all $60 of my contributions in 2023 were applied to 2023, so I (thankfully) correctly filed with $60 excess.
3, 4, & 5) Thank you! Noted.
6) You "use up" the excess by applying the 2023 excess as a 2024 contribution.
Forgive me if this is an irrelevant question: how do I go about applying the $60 excess as a 2024 contribution? For our 2024 tax return, I see that you say it'll be done with Form 5329. But is this something I have to separately take care of on Fidelity Investments? Or is there nothing to do on there after we've filed and resolved the excess?
Our MAGI is < $230k ; Husband maxed out his 2024 Roth, and I haven't contributed to mine since 2023, so I definitely have room for my excess $60 in my $7k Roth IRA contribution limits lol.
@sisterpwincess wrote:
1 & 2) I've found out that all $60 of my contributions in 2023 were applied to 2023, so I (thankfully) correctly filed with $60 excess.
3, 4, & 5) Thank you! Noted.
6) You "use up" the excess by applying the 2023 excess as a 2024 contribution.
Forgive me if this is an irrelevant question: how do I go about applying the $60 excess as a 2024 contribution? For our 2024 tax return, I see that you say it'll be done with Form 5329. But is this something I have to separately take care of on Fidelity Investments? Or is there nothing to do on there after we've filed and resolved the excess?
Our MAGI is < $230k ; Husband maxed out his 2024 Roth, and I haven't contributed to mine since 2023, so I definitely have room for my excess $60 in my $7k Roth IRA contribution limits lol.
It's part of form 5329. You are asked for your excess carryover, and your contributions for 2024. As long as your excess plus your 2024 contributions are less than your 2024 limit, the excess is applied to 2024. It should all happen automatically. The broker has nothing to do with it, because the broker doesn't know your income tax details, so they don't know or care what is excess and what is allowed, that's just between you and the IRS.
And even if you did not work in 2024, you can use the spousal IRA rules to contribute up to $7000 (or $6940 in your case) to your Roth IRA, if you want to start saving again. 2024 contributions can be made until April 15, 2025, you just have to tell the plan that you are making a 2024 contribution.
Understood. Thanks so much for your help and time!
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