Hello -
I spent a few hours researching this but not able to find clear guidance.
Question as to how to account for the above 2 improvements (below are some thoughts and would appreciate your input):
Improvement A - Since the hardwood flooring, water heater and wall insulation are all put into service same year as sale, i understand the IRS does not want them depreciated. the improvements were done in Feb when the property was still a rental. should i add them as additional assets (Option 1) in Sched E or expense them (Option 2)... does Option 1 case TT to depreciate on mid-month basis? if so, this would be an issue. [side question - when i dispose of them for a gain, will TT compute a short-term gain given < 12 months or will it default to the to the parent asset, the land or house and therefore compute a long-term gain]. Option 2 seems a bit odd to explain expensing flooring etc. which will reduce income vs capital gains that IRS will not like... i suppose for the water heater, since the cost < 2.5K, i can elect DMSH and expense it.
Improvement B - Since it was done after tenant left, i plan to convert the property to person use end of Sep thus removing from Sched E and adding the 40K to the cost basis, reducing my gain
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@earth777 , the reason for not being allowed to depreciate an asset that is put-in-service and disposed in the same calendar year , is really because once you dispose off the property is not in your hands ( the new owner would start fresh depreciation schedule ) for more than a year. General rule for requirement to depreciate an asset is that it has to have a class life of more that one year ( and usually cost more than an amount -- usually 1000 ). Therefore my opinion to bundle all the improvements that were done in the same year.
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@earth777 Having gone through your post and keeping in mind the KISS ( Keep It Simple Stupid ) process:
(a) On schedule-E for 2024 account for any repairs that were done during the tax year + applicable depreciation for the year.
(b) All improvements whether expressly under the heading/purpose of sale or not are just that " improvements . These are all expensed as Selling expenses ( the logic being that improvements / repairs just prior to sale are all " sales expenses" -- difficult to distinguish those that increase the value ( to be depreciated ) and those for cosmetic reasons -- at least from a buyer perspective. So I will put all improvements and repairs (after the renter's departure ) under the general sales expenses.
(c) Under sales expenses will also be items like title search/insurances , sales commission, transfer tax etc. etc.
(d) You gain is then Sales Price LESS Sales Expenses LESS adjusted basis ( which is Acquistion Cost + Cost of all improvements LESS accumulated allowable depreciation ) LESS any suspended losses. This gain/loss will flow from 4797 , Schedule-D to form 1040
(e) Your Schedule- E will reconcile rental income, expenses ( repairs, admin fees, taxes, mortgage interest etc. etc. ) and the net will flow to your form 1040 via schedule 1.
TurboTax will do all the work and fill the right forms for you.
Does this make sense ?
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thank you. all make sense. on (b), i am clear on improvements done prior to sale.
the one area that is still not clear to me is how to deal with improvements that were done earlier in 2024 when the property had a tenant and improvements were done before any decision was made to sell later in the year. If the property was not sold later in 2024, i would capitalize the improvements and depreciate/expense them per schedule on Shed E. The issue is i ended up selling that same year and i understand that you are not allowed to capitalize (?) / depreciate assets (my early 2024 improvements) if they were sold in the same year.
another question - is it better to do the asset(s) sale in Sched E or inform Turbo tax that i converted to personal (even though i never lived in the property after tenant moved out, this will let me stop the depreciation on the move out date effectively moving the asset out of Sched E and then process the sale as a business)
(1) If you were to consider/ recognize the first set of improvements ( not the repairs ) by themselves ( property rented out and improvements without consideration of pending sale ), then you would have depreciated these improvements and thereby increase your accumulated depreciation, resulting in increased income on Schedule-E, reduced basis and thus at the time of sale a higher gain but more of the gain being treated as ordinary in com e ( not capital gain tax rate ). Therefore , and since this was all within a reasonable time period ( less than a year ), it probably more tax advantageous to include all the improvements as part of sales preparation expenses.
(2) Note that when you sell this rental/income property , you are selling as a business property --- thus you use form 4797 and schedule D. So I do not see any advantage in terminating a rental property, recharacterizing as second home and then sell it ---- at that point it is not business property. The current method is the one that allows use of business property benefits. Once a property has been used for business / income, it is best to keep that characteristics.
(3) Because this was your main home then with a look back period of five years from the date of sale conclusion/ consummation ( closing ), you would have to meet the 2 years of ownership and 730 days of main residence use to be eligible to exclude any gain.
(4) Note that from the gain, an amount equal to accumulated depreciation ( whether taken or not) will be taxed as ordinary income, the remainder can be give Capital gain tax treatment and/or excluded up to 250K per filer meeting the "main residence use " clause. That is another reason why you want to bin as little as you can in the depreciation category , if allowed by law.
Does this make sense ?
thank you ... make sense. i wish the IRS had more guidance on this..
one thing that is clear is per Pub 946, Ch1 Pg 6, "you cannot depreciate the property: Property placed in service and disposed of in the same year" in this context, i am assuming my first of improvements is placing "property" in service.
i am going to try to go with this suggestion... " Therefore , and since this was all within a reasonable time period ( less than a year ), it probably more tax advantageous to include all the improvements as part of sales preparation expenses."
@earth777 , the reason for not being allowed to depreciate an asset that is put-in-service and disposed in the same calendar year , is really because once you dispose off the property is not in your hands ( the new owner would start fresh depreciation schedule ) for more than a year. General rule for requirement to depreciate an asset is that it has to have a class life of more that one year ( and usually cost more than an amount -- usually 1000 ). Therefore my opinion to bundle all the improvements that were done in the same year.
Is there more I can do for you ?
thank you. much appreciate your help/guidance!
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